who created God

last SG · 2012-07-11T19:59:57+00:00

What God?Hindus have their Gods.Muslims have their God.Christians have their God.Primitive people have their God.And there are many more.All claim their God...

BroInChrist SG

lots of westerners in the west have left christianity even though they are brought up. even scholars have left christianity because they found the bible to be too incoherent and illogic, not to mention arrogance and the existence of god is yet to be established.

Lots of people have also embraced Christianity because they found it coherent, logical and intellectually satisfying. Among these included scholars and scientists as well. The existence of God was the only explanation for why the universe existed. For these people, there is no doubt that God existed.

Jacky Woo SG

I was trying my best not to LOL at your self deluded reply.

Sam Harris on "Free Will"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g

BroInChrist SG

I was trying my best not to LOL at your self deluded reply.

Sam Harris on "Free Will"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g

An ad hominem retort refutes nothing, Jacky.

Jacky Woo SG

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/your-delusion.htm

White Dust SG

Interesting. In what capacity and setting were you teaching the Bible for 12 years? Did you give up Christianity? Why?

I used to teach Bible studies and apologetics in a church, and yes. I think our discussion has yielded some reasons for my non-belief. I wanted to talk more about the Urey-Miller experiment...

I think you've misunderstood the argument. The argument from evil is not to prove that God does not exist. The arguments tries to show that an omnipotent/omnibenevolent God does not exist. If one professes one's God to be non-omnibenevolent (such as William Lane Craig, and I suspect Alvin Plantinga), then the argument from evil will not be a suitable disproof as an non-omnibenevolentl God is perfectly compatible with the existence of evil in the world.

Jacky Woo SG

Theodicy, God and Suffering - A debate between Dinesh D'Souza and Bart Ehrman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isg6Kx-3xdI&feature=related

Bart Ehrman is a former christian and pastor and studied trinity and scholar.

mancha SG

I hope besides listening and reading the views of others' , you all have your own opinion.

If your belief is based on what you read and heard, then you would be no different from those who believe in holy books.

Some of Sam Harris views corresponds with mine, though not all. And I have not heard of him until that link.

Jacky Woo SG

I hope besides listening and reading the views of others' , you all have your own opinion.

If your belief is based on what you read and heard, then you would be no different from those who believe in holy books.

Some of Sam Harris views corresponds with mine, though not all. And I have not heard of him until that link.

I been thinking of the religion for over almost 20 years le. Religion was invented by primitive people, because they were ignorant of the natural phenomenon, like sun, moon, wind, earthquakes etc. They thought they must be a god, so worshipping and sacrifises begun. the rest as they say, is history.

BroInChrist SG

I see that you have been thinking about animism for 20 years, and confusing it with Christianity! Duh.

Jacky Woo SG

I see that you have been thinking about animism for 20 years, and confusing it with Christianity! Duh.

beats you than believing in a imaginery god that commands people to kill people who worked on sundays lol. seriously how can one take the beliefs seriously with a command like that

BroInChrist SG

I used to teach Bible studies and apologetics in a church, and yes. I think our discussion has yielded some reasons for my non-belief. I wanted to talk more about the Urey-Miller experiment...

Interesting that you taught Bible study and apologetics for 12 years in a church. So I presume you had been a Christian for more years than that? If so, then I assume you will not have much trouble following my arguments.

Please feel free to speak your mind on the Miller experiment. My earlier point was that had they been successful they would not have proved that abiogenesis happened, but that life required intelligent design. They would only have proven that life could be formed in a lab, but not in a primordial soup millions of years ago which they assumed they knew how it was like.

But why would the existence of evil means that the Christian God does not exist? Clearly you must have added some other premises to come to that conclusion.

BroInChrist SG

beats you than believing in a imaginery god that commands people to kill people who worked on sundays lol. seriously how can one take the beliefs seriously with a command like that

It would be worst to take your anti-Christian rantings seriously.

Jacky Woo SG

It would be worst to take your anti-Christian rantings seriously.

if asking a question such as that is anti christian rantings, so be it.

even a 3 year old kid would find it hard to accept beliefs that require people to kill people who worked on sundays. by the way there are millions of people who worked on sundays. so why wouldnt you take up god command to kill them lol

mancha SG

My first introduction to religion was through history lessons in secondary school. The origins of various major religions were in the syllabus. Beyond the academics I have no interest in them other than analyse the cause of the belief of the various people.

Jacky Woo SG

yes what I find odd was the belief in an imaginery god and holy book which was written by ancient primitive people who doesnt have our knowledge now. the people in that era was illiterate and science was rudimentary. when you tell them it was acts of god then, people who not challenge you, but if you ask a modern man that earthquake as an act of god, to hell with your act of god.

Jacky Woo SG

"A Universe From Nothing" - Lawrence Krauss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg&feature=related

mancha SG

The books were written thousand or hundreds of years ago. In the language and vocabulary of that time. Previous to that the records were handed down by word of mouth. So there is distortion and limited vocabulary.

Those writings are then translated into English, using the current vocabulary. So the translations was fitted and refitted with present day vocabulary until it made the best sense. Then attribute it to God and that finalise it.

If all options are left open, then there is a possibility that extra terrestrial aliens introduced life on this planet and and created humans, thereafter evolution took its course.

They may return, but the strong possibility is that they could no longer do so.

We don't know, but as we progress, we will be able to formulate more theories and get closer to the truth.

Jacky Woo SG

would you believe in evidence based on observations, experiments, scientific instruments/apparatus, calculations/deductions than a book written by ancient primitive men? same with medicine isnt it. you want medications that is based on evidence than hearsay or hypothesis isnt it.

Jacky Woo SG

imagine the world, where we are all christians, believing in god. whatever we dun understand, we will say, it is god's work. there will never be improvement in society and critical thinking. when one dies from a new diseases, that must be god's will.

to believe in god is impediment to knowledge and curiosity.

BroInChrist SG

if asking a question such as that is anti christian rantings, so be it.

Except your questions aren't the sort that says, I really want to know, but more of a mocking and scoffing remark. You honestly care for the answer? I don't think so. You will spit on ANY answer given you. But I don't expect you to admit that here.

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