What are ur expectation for the 4th university

last SG · 2007-10-30T21:13:29+00:00

No offence but liberal arts is not pragmatic in Singapore considering that most grads just want to find a job and be done with it all. There is not a huge ma...

Darkness_hacker99 SG

Because their result can get them to local U

Agenda SG

you come poly and see how possible it is to slack and still score more than 3.0

you have yet to even graduate from secondary school so don't talk like you know how life is in JC or Poly

798 SG

sg education fee is not cheap, by further studies will meant a student will not set into working life, hence giving parents more burden to pay for their education.

however not many pple can afford it so they have no choice but to take up loan from bank/cpf.

after the students can graduated, can they ensure they have a good life finding a good job to repay their parents?

Ashearo SG

Singapore unis are good, just not as good as harvard, oxford cambridge etc.

Agenda SG

if you fail A level, you can retake and have a whole new result. if you don't get at least 3.5 in your poly results, you can't simply wait 1 year to retake, you have to retake the whole course to get your 3.5

thus poly students who wish to go to university have to mug throughout their 3 years in poly while JC students can wait til their second year til make a crashcourse for their As

Did you think of them?

why they aren't complaining? look at the number of poly students the local Unis are taking in then tell me who is worse off

Not everyone is rich enough to go overseas

And right now, I think even 3.7 might not get you into Uni

Ashearo SG

You dont have a 3.5, but you still got a poly cert that can get you a decent job. A level cert is worth shit. Poly students should already have known they are unlikely to make it into local uni when they made the choice to go to poly. Its all about making one's choices.

Ashearo SG

I agree with this one. Maybe sg government can woo one of switzerland's top tourism universities to come here. Or med school, one like Duke-NUS but much bigger.

Rock^Star SG

What is your opinion of the the word 'decent'? $1000 to $2000 a month? I have poly grad friends who are still earning less than $2000 after years on the job.

A levels is worth sh.it on its merit alone but how difficult is it to secure a university place when entrance priority has always been given to them? And then when one graduates, the pay alone is worth much more than a polytechnic graduate's. Not to mention job prospects.

How many polytechnic graduates have Singaporeans seen climbing the scholarlistic ladder? Now, compare that with A level grads. who eventually move on to varsity level.

It is all about making one's choice but neither should that very choice serve to be a disadvantage in one's career down the road.

A fourth uni with more admission of poly grads will level the playing field and reduce the income and job prospects disparity.

Rock^Star SG

Don't take it too hard Very Happy . Since this is a fourth uni, the govt will take admission criteria very seriously.

Students who mug like hell deserve to stand out in society? Just on that merit alone? Pardon my preaching but when you have come out to work, life isn't all about getting grade As. There is something fundamentally very wrong with our education system and mentality.

Ashearo SG

Decent pay, if you relate it to a scenario when an A level grad compares his pay to a Poly grad.

It is precisely that an A level cert is worth sh,t that is why priority is given to JC students to enter university. Poly students are TRAINED to work already, JC students are prepared for university (precisely why they are called Pre-Universities). Polytechnic by its own name already means"many skills".

If that choice will serve as a disadvantage to their future career, they should have very well thought of going to JC so they can go to university more easily. And if someone wants to be a scholar, it is already very obvious he should have taken the JC route. If the 4th uni admits more poly grads, it might not make a difference because people may regard it as a "university for poly students" and see it as a lower quality university compared to NUS, NTU, SMU. This will only make people complain again.

Ashearo SG

I agree that there is something wrong with our education system. But im sure students that mug like hell deserve to stand out in society more than those who dont (im not aiming this at anyone). Some students are not talented, and all they can do is mug like hell. That is not their choice. They are doing the best they can already. It beats being untalented and still not willing to mug to get somewhere.

Pitot SG

AFAIK, SOTA is similar to the Sports school, O lvl… not degree level.. am i wrong??

Rock^Star SG

Let's take an average of $1600 a month. Decent pay? Subjective but I beg to differ with the relentless rise in the cost of living.

Simply because an A level cert is worth sh.it and that serves as the warrant for them having priorty entrance into uni, how fair is that to a poly grad? A poly grad may have good results but cannot make it into a uni and then having to play second fiddle to an A level grad who has probably done only fairly well, again......how fair is that?

Just because an A level cert is worth sh.it?

It all depends on how the govt wants to market the uni. When SMU came out, it was a place for A level rejects. After some skilful branding, it seems to have surpassed NTU and NUS. Therefore, your concerns on the 4th uni being sub standard is perhaps unfounded.

Rock^Star SG

Yes, attitude is extremely important for one to succeed in life. However, there is a difference between 1) mugging justifying a stand out in life and 2)mugging deserving a stand out in life.

1) is a blasphemy. 2) I agree.

Ashearo SG

With regard to pay, i said compare between the A level student and the poly grad, if they both dont make it into university. The poly grad will command a MORE DECENT pay COMPARED to the A level grad.

It is not just because the A level is worth sh,t but on the basis that the government made JCs so that they were meant to educate students to enter university. And the government made polys to train students for the workforce. The government made it clear what their purposes were for. Students SHOULD HAVE considered these points before they chose to take the poly or jc route. From what i have observed, at the age of 16, most students have not planned what they want to do in future. Many enter poly or jc just because their friends are going there, or they claim they "cannot handle the stress in JC". Can't blame anyone for that.

I know it is not easy for a poly student to do well, but the general view of the public is that poly students are less stressed out due to their more relaxed/flexible time table. JC students spend everyday from 7.30am-6pm (or even later due to CCA) for 2 years slogging. If poly students do that for 3 years, i will support the stand that unis should accept equal intake.

As for the 4th university, i feel that the only way to make it recognised and well respected (even if it takes in more poly grads) is to truly specialise. The university should offer purely engineering degrees and nothing else. Or medicine, dentistry and law schools for poly grads.

Agenda SG

Like you said, It's a choice. JC students made the choice to take the risk, Why should poly students be punished because of that? And is $1,500 even a decent pay? I can get more working part-time.

There are hundreds of poly graudates having GPA 3.5 or better yet only a handful make it to poly.

My question to you, Are you a male? Do you realise that guys have to serve NS? Should a guy fail his O level one time too many, You realise much it jeopardises his life? He can't simply just keep on retaking his O levels until he has good enough result to get into JC. Do you think the SAF would let him do so?

Then by what you are saying, Are we going to deprive the people with poorer results a chance to furthur their studies? What ever happened to equality? A Levels students should be given more worth? What are you? A elitist wannabe?

Rock^Star SG

Since the fact that A level certs is sh.it do not justify why poly grads should not have an equal opportunity to enter uni, then why compare oranges with apples? Comparing tertiary with tertiary would be better and in this case, a diploma with a uni degree.

There is no one size fits all solution. While there is some truth that poly students should have considered their options carefully if this was the route that they had wanted to take, there shouldn't be any complaints, it doesn't obscure the fact that A levels and polytechnic have an altogether different curriculum and culture. Then in this case, can a poly student be discriminated against just because he deems the poly culture as more suitable for his advancement?

It is the quality, not the quantity. If the criteria for uni entrance is based on a rigorous schedule, then the Singapore education system has truly failed.

Ashearo SG

Again you do not comprehend my point on the pay. If they dont get into uni, the poly student will get a MORE decent pay COMPARED to the A level student. So if they have the same job, the poly student will get 1500 and the A level student may get 1200. Comparatively more decent.

I am a male and i understand the situation. It is the same thing with the JC student failing his A levels again and again and yet he cant make into Uni, but he is still stuck with a sh,tty cert. And if he fails again and again, it is already a sign that he is not suited for university.

We are an equal society, meaning everyone starts off with equal opportunities. After the start, you cannot expect equality because singapore is a meritocratic society. If everyone is equal, there will be no leaders, no rich or poor. Equality will exist only in Heaven (even then its not exactly true because God is still higher) If the universities are accepting more "students with poorer results" then its going to further dilute the value of a degree. We cannot avoid the fact that singapore is becoming more and more elitist. All the more people should think before they make their choices. With regard to elitist-wannabe, that is just unjustified. Universities are MEANT for the elites of today's society. If any tom dick and harry can get in, then what is the point at all? So are you calling the Ivy league universities elitist just because they only accept the top notch students?

And no one is depriving people with poor results, of their education. They can still go to private universities here.

Ashearo SG

I am comparing Poly and JCs because that is the point where students truly have to make a choice. It is the branching point.

The poly student should not, and is not discriminated against just because he deems the poly culture more suitable. Since he has already "deemed it more suitable" he would have accepted the fact that he is unlikely to make it into university. That factor is part of his acceptance.

Of course it is based on quality and not quantity. What if you were to compare both quality AND quantity? Poly students would have spent quality time in that few hrs they spend in sch everyday, but JC students would have spent quality time AND quantity. It is not that the uni entrance is based on a rigorous schedule, but JC itself has a rigorous schedule just so students are ready for the kind of rigorous schedules in university.

Rock^Star SG

This post, my friend has just made you little different from our elitist leaders.

There is a stark difference between eliticism and social hierachy. Eliticism is bane for this country as it only serves to widen the rich-poor divide while the latter is only a nature of life. Every society has a hierachy to fill but eliticism serves to only stretch it further.

Universities are only meant for elites? Then think of the evil that eliticism breeds first.

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