What are ur expectation for the 4th university

last SG · 2007-10-30T21:13:29+00:00

No offence but liberal arts is not pragmatic in Singapore considering that most grads just want to find a job and be done with it all. There is not a huge ma...

dcx SG

Poly sch fees approx. 6k for 3 years.
JC sch fees how much? I dunno...never study JC before...

How can forget about ITE grad?

1.6k for diploma holders is considered as executive level.= NO OT pay.
1.6k for ITE holders is not considered as executive level. = Can get OT pay.
1.6k for JC grad is what? I dunno....

Why compared JC & Poly again? ITE shld be included also wat...

Ashearo SG

It is a thin line in between. I am all for equality, but it is not possible. It is not within our control. The rich will wanna get richer. But no one can stop them. All i can say is, work hard, and dont complain if you dont do well enough. If you wanna go to university, work hard in JC, or work DAMN HARD in poly. Things are unlikely to change.

Rock^Star SG

A poly grad who most likely cannot make it to the local uni may have to be stuck with a pay sub $2000 for many years. An A level grad who most probably can make it to uni will eventually earn much more than that and better job prospects to boot? Just what are we discussing if you insist on this fixation on your "branching point"?

Accept "this factor" just as simple as ABC? It is often a tough dilemma for poly students with lofty asporations but do not want to feel limited by the A levels curriculum at the same time.

A poly course is 3 years. Quality and quantity, blood and sweat of an A level student no less.

Ashearo SG

Pay scenario -> I'm saying BOTH poly and A level student CANNOT GET INTO UNIVERSITY. They are stuck with poly cert and A level cert respectively. Poly student will have better prospects.

You said just now that we should be comparing the tertiary institutes, poly and uni (poly cert and degree). But i disagreed. i chose to compare poly and jc because these two institutions are where secondary students go to, and these two routes lead to university.

Poly course is 3 years, but if you compact it into a 7.30am-6pm, 5-day week, it wont be that long.

Ashearo SG

Good academic results do not mean elites, but students from JC going into university are more or less already well rounded. Good academics, good CCAs.

Ashearo SG

They shouldnt feel limited by the A level curriculum because they know that it is the easier route to university, the easier route to LIMITLESS achievements, where they can achieve their lofty aspirations. By choosing the poly route they are extending their limit for the moment, but ultimately limiting themselves more than A level students.

dcx SG

think got classes until 9pm~10pm...

It's just that in a poly, easier to pon10 than in JC.. Laughing

Rock^Star SG

For one who advocates that poly grad's pay is decent compared to an A level grad's pay when the relentless rise in cost of living is staring all Singaporeans right in their faces, now we see an about turn from you declaring your support for equality.

The current system is such that even if one works hard and does fairly well in poly, he is still less assured of a place in uni compared to an A level student who has done poorer. And this vicious cycle carries on all the way into working life, if one works in civil service, that is.

This opening of the fourth uni will ony serve to to tilt the balance into a more level playing ground and I'm all for it.....if it serves to make Singapore a more mature society.

dcx SG

well rounded in what? academic? perceptives? decision-making? situation analyse & problem solving?

Eikei SG

Your basic assumption is that poly students do not get an equal opportunity to enter university. This assumption is invalid from the onset.

The latest admission criteria for diplomas into relevant degrees include an 80% weightage from their overall results plus 20% from their O level results with up to 10% of the total cohort intake available for discretionary intake. Selection for admission is totally dependant on academic merit with no cap placed on Poly graduate admissions provided the basic criteria for entry is met.

Our education policy is geared towards making poly a viable route to uni and with the inclusion of O level scores into the academic computation criteria, it allows for those good students who feel that the poly culture suits them better to stand a good chance of entering uni on equal footing as those who chose the JC route. This point should be considered before you assume that graduating secondary sch students who persue the poly route is discriminated against.

I do not understand how a criteria based on a rigorous schedule and strong academic focus is a liability to an education system such as ours. Care to elaborate?

Ashearo SG

Pay scenario -> Cant you see that a poly's pay of 1500 is MORE DECENT than an A level student's pay of 1200? Both suck in the relentless rise in cost of living, but no doubt the poly student still gets paid BETTER than the A level student, given they both cannot make it into university.

Shouldnt the poly student just go to JC then? The fact is that JC students study damn hard and many only achieve the "poorer" results.

Rock^Star SG

Kindly read this carefully again: A poly grad who most likely cannot make it to the local uni may have to be stuck with a pay sub $2000 for many years. An A level grad who most probably can make it to uni will eventually earn much more than that and better job prospects to boot?

I'm referring to the LIKELY eventuality and that is the key to our discussion. Your argument is valid if A level grads are stuck only at A level certs no more.

Ashearo SG

Academic wise, JC students who enter uni already have it. Perspective wise, im sure they gained alot through general paper. Decision-making, JC students are forced to make decisions just like poly students, over timetables, commitments. Situation analyse and problem solving, jc students have their fair share in project work. These are probably YOUR view of being well rounded.

Ashearo SG

And my argument is valid because i said both will not be going to university because they CANNOT. I know an artist who scored Fs for all his A level subjects cept his art. He cannot make it into university. People like him are stuck at A level cert and no more.

PwnYou SG

all not answering TS Rolling Eyes

Rock^Star SG

So care to explain the extremely low percentage of poly students entering uni every year if our education policy is geared this way.

Perhaps you have misunderstood my statement. I have never opined that a rigorous schedule is a liability, just that it should never be used in its entirety as a sole criteria for admission, which of course was just a hypothesis.

Rock^Star SG

duplicate

Rock^Star SG

Friend like yours is a mere number compared to the thousands of poly grads who have missed out on the uni opportunity and these poly grads are hardly the F graders.

Eikei SG

Would you care to site your source of this "low percentage"? Percentage of the total applicants to uni/percentage of qualified applicants/percentage of total people from poly? These are subtle yet important differences that can change this "low percentage" you are citing.

A rigorous schedule is an imperfect measure and thus there is a 10% allowance for exceptional individuals. However, as flawed as it seems to you, I would like to hear your opinion about what other more conclusive methods we can use as a criterion for admission. Its no use saying something is bad unless you can come up with concrete suggestions.

Ashearo SG

This is one person ive met. There are many others who score Bs and Cs and cannot make it into university. Scoring a pass alone is not that easy in JC.

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