Honda Civic 2006

last SG · 2006-05-30T00:28:06+00:00

prob its 4 gears with a 5th overdrive gear then. it just doesn't look as impressive IRL to be honest. 12km/l is a bit... low.

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yea. and we're talking about worldwide market, not just singapore market. even in sg, those cars are every bit family cars. I mean, u only say u discount them as family cars. u still haven't explained why

n0x SG

okie lets put it simply... golf gti or r32 is like wrx sti...i mean i juz cant imagine a family man buying a golf or something... see this is where marketing applies.. how u want to mould the image of a car...

i generally dun like hatches.. there are only 2 hatches i like... the eg/ek and the other .. u guessed it .. 147... pls pls pls dun spoil the image of it for me Laughing i think it is a veh cool car.. not intended for the avg family guy...again it boils down to image...

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huh? but normal golf also can be family car. afterall, u can imagine family man buying civic type R meh?

and uh.... sorry ah, but 147 Is a family car. Neutral

n0x SG

golf can be a family car.. so too can be a rx8 and a 2+2 612 scaglietti.. 2 adults in front 2 kids at the back.. is not can or cannot... its juz down to the image thingy..

pple in sg who go look at vw cars.. either they family man buy passat... or they young girls buy bettle.. those tt want hatchbacks usually will not buy golf cos if i am not wrong it is the second most ex hatch in sg after the 147.. dun make sense.. so left with enthusiast and they are usually young pple with the need for speed..

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ok let me rephrase. the Golf IS a family car. I'm going to point out to u that the Golf is in the same market segment as the Ford Focus, and is, in fact, the main rival of the Focus. Image-wise, its every bit a family car as well. I cannot imagine ANY young person with a need for speed buying a 1.4l Golf. That thing is hardly considered speedy.

A Passat is actually more in the small exec segment, and wouldn't be an average family car the way a ford focus would. on the other hand, like i mentioned earlier, the golf is the direct market rival to the focus. so there is no way a focus is a family car while the golf is not. In fact VW has marketed the Golf every bit as such. I'm wondering if its because there is a GTi varient that makes u unable to see it as a family car, which is strange because the similarly hardcore and powered Focus ST should do that to the Focus as well, and what about the insane Astra VXR? yet u think of it as a family car...

i mean u keep talking about image and how they market the car, the golf is a family car through and through and has always been marketed as such.

n0x SG

oh cos when they market the golf they juz market the best car available and tt's the gti variant b4 the r32 was avaailabe here... focus ST will simply be thought of as a family car again abeit more powerful.. why... cos they market it as a family saloon first... as opposed to the golf ... pple will think tt the normal golf is a tuned down gti..

and we dun have 1.4 golf here.. we have polo instead.. Very Happy

nOrmalbOi SG

All brands like to market their cars to be sporty ba... whether or not the car itself has any sporting in it is a different matter Razz

To me the Golf is a premium hatch.. as is the 147.. locally.. the Golf is expensive.. but that alone does not make it sporty or a non family car.. it is just less affordable to the general public.

Wink

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Laughing

i think u're being very skewed about it. The 1st Golf ads to come out were the ones advertising the non-hot versions. The ads empahsised on how safe the car was etc. The GTi only came out later, and there haven't be much ads for it besides the occasional ad in the car mags. If u look around, the ads for the Golf are still more family orientated.

What puzzles me even more, is that Ford is now very aggressively advertising the Focus ST and almost none for the Focus itself. So how the ST will simplt be thot of as a family car abeit one more powerful while the Golf is obstinately thought of as not being a family car by u, is a mystery, considering the Focus ST is wayyyyy butcher and more aggresssive looking than the GTi, has bigger rims, a wilder paint scheme, and more bhp.

tiggersgd SG

Laughing yaya...then u have to give it to the japs for having the boxy car designs over the years too...if not how would the cconti cars overtake them?

tiggersgd SG

i'm surprised to hear that Ford is advertising aggressively...are u referring to sg or other parts of the world? if its sg, nah, i dun think so. Ford's management never advertise strongly nor aggressively over the years. they dun even have a strong marketing force in the company to start with. when i owned one of their top cars, i complained abt their marketing of their top car which they're selling but still their price drops like Sh|tto. Sad

as for golf vs focus...i'll still get a focus anytime, be it looks, power or price. VW simply over-priced their cars in sg. and that's IMHO. popcorns any1? Mr. Green

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now i have to ask u, just what exactly would u encompass in design? just overall look, or including mechanicals? im talking about everything, mechanicals, looks, etc etc.

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Originally posted by tiggersgd:

i'm surprised to hear that Ford is [b]advertising aggressively...are u referring to sg or other parts of the world? if its sg, nah, i dun think so. Ford's management never advertise strongly nor aggressively over the years. they dun even have a strong marketing force in the company to start with. when i owned one of their top cars, i complained abt their marketing of their top car which they're selling but still their price drops like Sh|tto. Sad

as for golf vs focus...i'll still get a focus anytime, be it looks, power or price. VW simply over-priced their cars in sg. and that's IMHO. popcorns any1? Mr. Green [/b]

no doubt VW overprices their cars. Although how much overpriced it is, is subject to opinion. Being overpriced does not bring a car out of the family car segment though.

Remember, when I talk about Ford's aggressive advertisement, of course I would talk about the world as a whole. Since when was sg's car market representative of the automotive market? Question

tiggersgd SG

relax lah...let me put it this way, i only want to discuss about the sg market advertising segment and i didn't put in the world as a playing field over here,right?

if u so choose to view it as a world marketing segment, then it should also include sg as well, right? and since it includes sg being in this part of the world doesn't it make sense to have a global marketing effort as per ur stand of world as a whole?

and as of now, i m telling u that what Ford is lacking in sg is their marketing/advertising. they are not strong at all. and since when did i mention sg car market representative of the automotive market Question

do get ur facts right. it is only a discussion (deviated from original topic :lol Smile . if in doubt, it is always good to ask...esp since u r an engineer-to-be. if not u can be seen as an angry person in reply.

HolySniper SG

the new civic is on i-vtec... no more kui vtec liaos.. Confused Mad

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Originally posted by tiggersgd:

relax lah...let me put it this way, [b]i only want to discuss about the sg market advertising segment and i didn't put in the world as a playing field over here,right?

if u so choose to view it as a world marketing segment, then it should also include sg as well, right? and since it includes sg being in this part of the world doesn't it make sense to have a global marketing effort as per ur stand of world as a whole?

and as of now, i m telling u that what Ford is lacking in sg is their marketing/advertising. they are not strong at all. and since when did i mention sg car market representative of the automotive market Question

do get ur facts right. it is only a discussion (deviated from original topic :lol Smile . if in doubt, it is always good to ask...esp since u r an engineer-to-be. if not u can be seen as an angry person in reply.[/b]

hmm. seeing as the whole point about n0x having raised the issue of the UK civic being a class leader, instead of the sg civic, means we have to take more into account the UK market and the world market right? I didn't ever have any doubt as to which market this discussion is based. If all of u have been talking about sg market all along, then your points are moot because the car which gave rise to the discussion is the UK-spec civic, which is not currently available in sg. I am sure I have my facts right. Um, the question is, do u? I'm not being hostile or anything, I hope u dun see it that way. Smile

tiggersgd SG

well, put it this way, u r referring to n0x when replying to me? then, ur answer is equally moot bcos, i have time and again replied in the sg context. and in my earlier posting, i did mention to u to get the facts right with n0x on the leading car in the market etc which n0x himself did reply and made it clear it is in sg terms. if its not clear, pls clear it with him.

u were the one that persisted in giving world answers without really taking into consideration of what u re-quote to reply with. take for eg, ur replies to mine...which is clearly stated sg terms n not world or UK etc. i have not replied u on whether it is UK or otherwise. i too understand and have seen the UK model which in fact is also the same model for the US market segment and in the US market segment, this same civic has over 20 variants to its name.

what i have replied over time is geared more towards the asian market and closer to home - sg. take for eg, the TAS 2006. Smile

in ending, i dun see u as hostile if u didn't think u were or replied to be. i'm merely stating what i have observed from ur replies. that's all. cheers! Wink

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erm, like i said, the entire debate starts from the point of the UK civic. so my point is certainly valid, while yours is pretty moot if all along u've been talking about sg market.

closer to home for me, is not the sg market nor the TAS 2006. Geneva is closer to home for me. Laughing

cheers.

tiggersgd SG

no worries, if u chose to start from the entire debate when u re-quoted my replies (which is in sg context) only to reply me in the UK context? how moot can that be? let's be real here, n0x has already clarified it to be otherwise?! Laughing self-denial? hmmm...

perhaps u dun understand the phrase, speak when spoken to? and in this context, pls when in re-quoting, answer as per the re-quoted. enuf said.

Mr. Green

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for a start, lets see... my reply was to n0x, and obviously i would be talking about a worldwide and possibly UK market then. u jump in during the debate, and go on to say u're talking about the sg market? is it any small wonder then, that people didn't even realise u're talking about sg market, even if i quote u, BECAUSE u came in, in the middle of a debate centered around the UK civic and thus the UK market? Laughing n0x can clarify otherwise, but to begin with, it doesn't make any sense to talk about the UK civic's specs being the leader of the field, AND then go on to quote the sg field to show why that is true isn't it?

u're absolutely right about speaking when spoken to. seeing as u spoke 1st in the middle of the ongoing discussion without being spoken to, i hope u know how to apply that to yourself to prevent future confusions. Laughing

meanwhile, I would prefer it if when discussing cars, people here could show some logic. Pointing at the uk spec n saying its the leader of is field and then going to use the sg market to try to justify the UK spec being the field leader just does not hold water folks. Try again.

meanwhile, let me go reset my irony meter. it just shot off the scale when i read your post. Laughing

tailslide SG

specs of almost ANY car can be found online. the basis for me to exclude other variants not available in sg in the comparison is for a simple reason. see the first post by n0x. does it look like he was saying THAT civic led the class in UK? i dun think so.

i can't disagree more when u say that civics do not lead the field, "based on specs alone and independant on where they are." true that u have not singled out the sg civic for comparison. u conveniently converged on the "UK civic" and discounted the other 10-20 odd variants of the 8th gen civic with the verdict "it did not lead the field." even within the civic line, the variants alone are enuff to pit it against several other classes of vehicles. from economical fuel sipping sedans, entry level luxury sedans to pure all out performance hot hatch. i simply do not see the logic nor credibilty of ur comparison.

historically, conti/american cars have been in the car manufacturing market way ahead of the japs. to say that they have taken a "huge" step in design is an understatement. it would be more appropriate to say that they have taken a gigantic step in order to stay ahead of the japs.

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