Student rights

last SG · 2007-06-15T02:47:35+00:00

You mean your security guard can make you write lines?

ChingAlvin SG

Are u sure you know what i've read? and yes, its by the law that they have to list down every single thing.

At least now, i know students, and people of singapore have their rights to rebuke and refute, unlike what you've said.

(h) do things that may be necessary, incidental or conducive to the attainment of all or any of its objects without violation of subject and the statutes applicable, under subsection 15.

191A.4 - (1) The powers and duties of the officers and members of the academic staff, the periods and conditions for and upon which they hold office and their emoluments shall be such as are prescribed by this Act.

ChingAlvin SG

No worries... there are, there is one for each school, and another one for the generally meant for polytechnics..

Ito_^ SG

nah, no rights at all.

but i do encourage establishing basic rights for students within a school's environment, like the right to vote for certain decisions that affect the entire school like a mini-society of sort. at least when they grow up, they won't be so afraid of authority like 66.6% of singaporeans have shown.

simply clampin em down with unreasonable force is never the answer.

798 SG

if a hooligan is killed by somebody out there. i will say he deserve it! Laughing

why will pple giving respect to hooligans when hooligans do not respect themselves n respect others?

Authority and implementing laws n orders is there for pple to follow.
Country has its own law and school has school rules. even home also has house rules.

but most importantly, a person must know how to self-love himself; else, how can others to respect him if he behaving like a kid?

ChingAlvin SG

hey wait, whose behaving like a kid?

kengkia SG

yea....they deserved to die but y their killers are still charged with murder dun u find it strange??... Laughing

Ito_^ SG

police asking to see ur NRIC is different from police threatening to charge u leh.

if the security guard act guai lan because the school management told em to, there definitely has to be a problem somewhere.

but imo, i dun think the school would want to put down their students so much la. muz be security guard wan to act seh.

ChingAlvin SG

and why are you even mentioning hooligan, criminals etc? anyout out there can be victim of authority abuse.

ChingAlvin SG

Originally posted by Ito_^:

police asking to see ur NRIC is different from police threatening to charge u leh.

if the security guard act guai lan because the school management told em to, there definitely has to be a problem somewhere.

but imo, i dun think the school would want to put down their students so much la. [b]muz be security guard wan to act seh.[/b]

Thats what i think so too.

Ito_^ SG

actually u shld ask is - how come all students muz be compared to hooligans and criminals!? Laughing

ChingAlvin SG

precisely.

If there is nothing to protect people like us all around, wouldnt lawyers be redundant in the first place?

I'm looking for student rights to protect students, but all kinds of assumptions came out... like hooligans... criminals... breaking the rules... bla bla bla

Authority abuses are way too common, but the assumptions always goes to the subject themselves.

allentyb SG

i never had to worry about that. when i was in NS, i was the PES E, then after, i was the copa

Laughing

798 SG

well, the security guards r just doing their job. the purpose dat the sch mgt is to cut down unnecessary costs of electricity n preventing illegal gathering which might lead to vantalise of sch properties.

i worked as security officers b4, there is a need to behave this way to scare off most of the pple.

one of the duties are to prevent trespassers like illegal workers by asking them to show their identity.

as a student, just obey to wat the security guard has told them. kpkb so much for wat? if really must do work after sch, get a permission from the lecturer to provide an approval letter to work overnite.

Ito_^ SG

thats why i disapprove of the security guards' methods, can't he say nicely first before blowing up? but its really my opinion in this.

and why can't he kpkb? if he feels he suffered injustice, there is no reason why he should shut up and accept it like a little lamb. singapore has enough sheeps already.

798 SG

they were killed becos they provoke the killers.

shouting and name-calling r nvr going to solve the problems. alot of youngsters these days thinking they r smarter than adults. the problem wif them is they cant even think before they speak.

it is once u see the coffin, u will start to regret of ur actions.

ChingAlvin SG

Lets have this analogy. If you are caught for a crime you did not commit, or is accused of, would you fight?

If you say there is a need to behave this way to scare off most people, sorry, thats not within your power to do so.

798 SG

do u ever saw a police speak nicely to u before catching u? Laughing

all he do is whine. like wat fireice said... there is a different between taking reasonable actions outside than sitting on your chair typing on ur keyboard n act like a hero.

798 SG

no. i will talk nicely. if the SO still very rude to me, i will not bother to talk wif him n act on wat is told.

the more u react recklessly, wat's the different comparing u to hooligans?

n security officers have the rights to use a 'Forcing' when doing their job. otherwise any tom, dick or harry will not have any fear in invading the place.

798 SG

Originally posted by BaruKu_9:

2 thumbs up 798 for your above replies to Kengkia and ChingAlvin respectively!

Our educational system now has been changed until sometimes I feel really like what Cantonese say -- Mou Ngan Tai!!

Our leaders nowadays seems like taking making $$$$$ as the very very first priority in all areas! [b]EVEN FOR EDUCATION!! They treat it like DOING BUSINESS! Treat students like CUSTOMERS! I've got friends teaching in our University, JC and schools. When I chit chat with them and talk about this issue, all of them gave me the same feeling! Their morale is low. They MUST serve students like surving CUSTOMERS! Like one of our members mentioned: Student is the king! There are all kinds of OVER-convenient feedback channels for students to COMPLAIN their teachers. Students even are ASKED to or APPROACHED or even come to the extent like "BEGGED" to give feedback on all their teachers! You know what I mean? ---

Teachers nowadays are GRADED BY STUDENTS!!

I don't mean providing feedback channels is no good, we just don't need to take it until that high profile like APPROACHING them to give feedback and even providing questionnaire for them to just tick tick tick! Come on, if a teacher's attitude is bad to the extent that students can't tolerate, then do you think they won't take action to complain, do you think they don't know how to complain and must wait until you push questionnaire for them to tick?!

Actions like providing them questionnaire or sort of "begging" them to feedback will definitely give them wrong impression that teachers are under their "CONTROL" and trying to TAKE ADVANTAGES on their teachers!!! Simple examples like giving hints for exam, asking for more marks when not satisfy with the marks given for their assignment, etc., etc.! These make students TAKE MORE AND MORE THINGS FOR GRANTED! A simple and obvious example is like what our ChingAlvins way of thinking
we are consumer, why are we subjected to wat they deem as inappropriate?!

Students nowadays are really OVER PAMPERED!! and become like what Chinese say --

No Big No Small!!!

LUCKILY! It is really lucky that we still have this compulsory National Service!

Let all those over pampered young people to go for at least 2 years of serious and tough training!

I really think that our way of treating EDUCATION needs to be revised!

I really hope that our NS boys will never be pampered like our students.

I really hope that our army officers will never have to treat our NS boys like their CUSTOMERS!!!

Otherwise ----

It will really cause a BIG DISASTER to our nation!!!
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sinkapore is really hopeless case. so much of education yet ethics have been degrading as the years go. how r we going to entrust this nation to future ministers who happened to be a bunch of complain kids who keep talking about Rights when they do not have EQ?

ChingAlvin SG

Well, i'd take your last line as an insult.

I'm merely looking to know my rights, and defend myself in cases of authority abuses, which even the school officials admit to.

I wouldnt be looking to allow future pillars making looking down on youngsters of our age, and of course, looking at things only from their own perspective, which they happen to think is definitely right.

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