ANYONE INTO WW2 WARSHIPS ?

As romanista2001 SG

Beauty is in e eye of e beholder, i like both e Lowa for it sleek look & e Yamato for it aggressive look

Iowa looks most modern with the low bridge and superstructure.................but a little too industrial-looking..........

Yamato looks very elegant except for the conning tower...............apart from that, very beautiful............

As romanista2001 SG

May not have made much difference. With the 11 inches, the Scharnhorst still managed to sink a sizable proportion of British vessels including the aircraft carrier HMS Glorious.

The problem in the final sinking in '43 by the Duke of York was that its main radar aerial was knocked out by HMS Norfolk earlier hence it couldn't return accurate fire. It would have been the case with 15 inches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/scharnhorst_01.shtml

since the Germans have so few capital ships, they were ordered not to engage any enemy as strong as themselves so no point for Scharnhorst to have bigger guns..............11'' guns may be small for her size but enough to kill heavy cruisers guarding the merchant convoys.............

pure bad luck the Duke of York hit her engine room and slowed her speed..............the only thing Scharnhorst could have done is to run for it, i don't think her 11'' guns can do much damage to a battleship.

weasel1962 SG

Agreed. There would be no way the Germans could have built enough capital ships to challenge the 20+ battleship/ battlecruiser British fleet. They tried that in WW1 and failed. The world war 2 strategy would have been successful too if not for the US entry.

When one examines the numbers.

Royal Oak (U47), Barham (U331) - sunk by subs

QE, Valiant - damaged by commandos/human torps

Prince of wales/Repulse - sunk by aircraft

Only the Hood was sunk by a BB (Bismarck).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_the_Royal_Navy

The problem was also strategy. If Germany had carried out operation Felix or captured Alexandria/Suez (instead of the Italian debacle in Ops compass), this might have freed the 6-7 battleships of the Italians.

But once the US navy comes in, they had something like 20+ battleships, one can't fight a surface warfare battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_the_United_States_Navy

As romanista2001 SG

aiyah.............the Italians can't do much even if they have the biggest and best navy...............ask them to play football or design cars and clothes they can lah, ask them to fight leh.................sigh...............

anyway, Germany wasn't meant to win the war.............the top leaders were all ''compromised''..........the biggest naval ''kelong'' was the MIS-construction of the Elektro u-boats...............if not for that ''own goal'', those subs would have sunk enough ships to force Britain to her knees...........

spartan_6 SG

True, wat e Germans battleships lack is AAA which r quite mininmal for their ships considering e aircraft threat they face

As romanista2001 SG

AA not so important in the Atlantic mah..............not like in the Pacific.........the only thing with German ships were that they're very heavy compared to Allied ships but had less firepower

spartan_6 SG

Bismarck was disabled by Sword Fish torpedo bombers which cos her 2 be jumped on by e British fleet, from e point e torpedo hits she was as well sunk, it was just a matter of time cos e British can dump every ships she has if she have 2

As romanista2001 SG

i read that the Bismarck's AA guns hit the bombers but the shells went through the planes without exploding as the planes had too thin skins...........

if the Bismarck was as good a ship as the Iowa...................it would have escaped easily..........

Mid9Sun SG

Iowa looks most modern with the low bridge and superstructure.................but a little too industrial-looking..........

Yamato looks very elegant except for the conning tower...............apart from that, very beautiful............

Yamato's my love........elegant's a very right word for it

As romanista2001 SG

Yamato's my love........elegant's a very right word for it

yes, would have been the most beautiful ship if you don't count the conning tower.............

but frankly, Yamato wouldn't stand a chance against Iowa...........

Mid9Sun SG

Its really not fair to say which ship is better if they are of the similar class because the quality of the officers and crew make alot of difference on the performance of the ships

As romanista2001 SG

Its really not fair to say which ship is better if they are of the similar class because the quality of the officers and crew make alot of difference on the performance of the ships

the reason why i say the Iowa would cream the Yamato is becoz............

1) Iowa's superior radar allows it to fire accurately at the Yamato from beyond the horizon, the Japs can't

2) the slower Yamato can't close in on the Iowa, the Japs can't shoot what they can't see and the Japs are famous for their shooting INaccuracy

3) Yamato's armour may be the thickest but it's brittle

4) the Yamato's 18'' shells have fuses that are set too long, they'll pass through a ship's hull without exploding within the ship

so actually, even the older US battleships like the South Dakota or Washington would have defeated the Yamato..............mostly due to their superior radar. the Yamato is incredibly hard to sink but she's quite useless in battle when the enemy ship is not fighting it at close range..............

fudgester SG

My favourites....

British: Hood, Prince of Wales

US: Iowa, New Jersey

Japanese: Yamato, Musashi

German: Bismarck, Admiral Graf Spee

Come to think of it... all the ships in my list went kaput except for the American ships.

Actually, there was a chance for Iowa and New Jersey to face off with Yamato at Samar..... but then, Halsey ran off with them and left Taffy 3 to face Yamato.

SBS2601D SG

Is Iowa's 16" turret operable now?

If I'm not mistaken, they did not repair it after that huge explosion and proceeded to decommission her.

As romanista2001 SG

Is Iowa's 16" turret operable now?

If I'm not mistaken, they did not repair it after that huge explosion and proceeded to decommission her.

they waiting for S'pore to buy mah................maybe they might throw in the New Jersey too.............if still around

As romanista2001 SG

My favourites....

British: Hood, Prince of Wales

US: Iowa, New Jersey

Japanese: Yamato, Musashi

German: Bismarck, Admiral Graf Spee

Come to think of it... all the ships in my list went kaput except for the American ships.

Actually, there was a chance for Iowa and New Jersey to face off with Yamato at Samar..... but then, Halsey ran off with them and left Taffy 3 to face Yamato.

Graf Spee my favourite.....................if the Iowas faced the Yamatos...............2-0 to the Americans.........

As romanista2001 SG

imagine if the Japs had built the planned Super Yamato class.................20'' guns...........guaranteed to blow you away..........LOL

and then the Germans with the H-class with 16.5'' guns..............or.................Hitler-spec with 20.5'' guns..............LOL

the US with their Montana class...............12 x 16'' guns..............

the French (?) class.................12 x 15'' guns.................

the British Lion class...............16 x 14'' guns...............

all fight at one go like wrestling's Royal Rumble...............LOL

fudgester SG

Graf Spee my favourite.....................if the Iowas faced the Yamatos...............2-0 to the Americans.........

In terms of tonnage, Taffy 3 < Yamato alone..... and yet Taffy 3 single-handedly chased away Yamato and her sister ships.

If only Task Force 34 (with its six battleships) had been detached to protect the Taffy groups, then it sure would have been one fantastic battleship action.

As romanista2001 SG

In terms of tonnage, Taffy 3 < Yamato alone..... and yet Taffy 3 single-handedly chased away Yamato and her sister ships.

If only Task Force 34 (with its six battleships) had been detached to protect the Taffy groups, then it sure would have been one fantastic battleship action.

if those old US battleships had the same gunnery radar as the Iowa, 2 of them would be enough to do the Yamato in............provided they're armed with 16'' guns.................

they said the Yamato sank the Gambier Bay and 1 or 2 destroyers...............but i doubt it, unless the Yamato can see the Gambier Bay and the destroyers were sunk by Yamato's secondary guns..................those 18'' shells should have gone through the hulls of all the ships without exploding.............plus, the Japs are horrible at shooting !

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