M777 vs. Pegasus

last SG · 2008-11-16T13:38:46+00:00

Cost,benefits and risksAll decision shall base on these factors.

sgstars SG

flick rammer = not important lionnoisy

remember what you said about M777 cannot be airflown ? same thing here. no one gives a shit about whether is it flick rammed or is it auto-loaded or is it hand loaded.

it fires, its reliably and its in service with the US army and the British army. you not happy ? go talk to their procurement officers

remember :

lionnoisy SG

1.60 % of Pegasus is make up of titanium.Pl read below.

2.How much is it cost to instal an engine for loading ammo,shift the gun

for firing and short range movement?How is the technology challenge

if an engine installed?I am wandering why no engine is installed in

M 777 .

3.Pl share here if u find any M 777 comes with flick rammer.Thanks.

below---top-60 % make of titanium.In (engine) power we trust!!

....jjjj

lionnoisy SG

Once M 777 is rested on the ground,it takes time to move it.

It is ok to be used in area where the enemy's longest range weapon

is RPG and biggest powerful weapon is road side IED.

But it is not good to be used in location where your enemy

come with artillery radar and counter fire artillery!!

Reasons

http://www.eme421.com/M777.html

i think the gear for traverse the gun.

lionnoisy SG

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/6_1_1.asp?id=808

Gunners from the 2nd Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, Canadian Forces Base Petawawa, practice drills on the new M777 lightweight 155mm howitzer.

lionnoisy SG

I have not seen in 4 spades.How long it take from firing position to

ready to be towed?

many info in this site.

http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/bae.htm

http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/bigscreenM777.jpg

http://www.casr.ca/doc-fms-m777-howitzer.htm

watch videos of Canadian Force news on M777:

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/english/6_5.asp?skeywords=M777

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lionnoisy SG

I find in this video a portable generator on a truck which is most likely for

the comm equipment for receiving firing order.

Then i find a wire links up the comm and the gun!!

Also,u need manually to adjust the elevation of the gun,

and traverse of course!!

Manually to adjust elevation in M 777 in 2008!!

How is Pegasus?I cant find wheels in Pegasus,so far.

New computer system eliminates manpower and error
PETAWAWA, Ontario — Digitized gun management system on M777 howitzer to be sent on missions.
(Video Story)
Friday, October 06, 2006

sgstars SG

gentleman, a brief introduction of lionnoisy modius operani

M777 :

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comparing pegasus and M777:

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lionnoisy SG

Did i insult any one here?I just raise questions.Why?Why ?

Too many things puzzle me?Men have to work like a donkey or horse

to shift and arrange the gun in 2008.

u can see here there is no power to arrange the pods.

shift the play here to see 360 degree of the gun!!

http://www.armchair-travel.com/military/M777.mpg

lionnoisy SG

if the gun in high elevation and counter fire is flying on the way

,can u run for your life?

how long it take from this(remember u have to turn the wheels!!)

to this

5 mins?

gd4u SG

Erm, wait a minute ...

u are comparing a TOWED HOWITZER with a Lightweight SELF-PROPELLED HOWITZER ...

Why don't u start trying to compare Frigates and Mine-countermeasure Vessels together?? Why, both are ships, aren't they?

ZOMG, stupidity just reached new levels ...

lionnoisy SG

Ok cool down.To be fair,u can also shoot at Pegasus with sensible

data and info.Lets see how SG poor guy do.

With BOQ

The APU (the Auxiliary Power Unit) is a 21 kW Lombardini 9LD625-2 diesel engine that provides power to the two main road wheels located at the front of the carriage, with steering via the two smaller wheels at the rear. Using the APU a maximum road speed of 12 km/h is claimed....EOQ

http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/Singapore-Technologies-Kinetics-155-mm-39-calibre-Pegasus-Light-Weight-Howitzer-LWH-Singapore.html

The SG guy can shift the gun to other place without much [email protected]!!

Then the driver just drive Pegasus away!!

below :a small engine APU (not so expensive,every one can afford),

can save a lot of sweats and lives!!

http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc

sgstars SG

come on kids ! lets sing a lionnoisy song !

i dont know what ive been told

lionnoisy's lost control

cant tell between a towed gun

and a self propelled gun

Lionnoisy is so dumb

stupid ranting all the time

hello eh lo eh lo eh lo

any sweat ?

no sweat

lionnoisy bad breath

@gd4u

u havent seen the time he came up with the LCS 1 ship vs a entire fleet scenario. assuming a single LCS fight against a sub and a guided missile frigate. just to "prove" his point that the LCS is underequipped (which was absolute bullshit to begin with)

lionnoisy SG

Oh Dear,both M 777 and Pegasus are classified under Janes as

Towed anti-tank guns, guns and howitzers.

http://www.janes.com/articles/jaa/towed_anti-tank_guns,_guns_and_howitzers.html

lionnoisy SG

i think i need explain for Janes.Ha ha.

Janes classify under main uses.Pegasus is bascially a towed gun.

SP is just for shoot and scoot or the towing is not feasible.

Eg urban areas,narrow terrain etc.

M 777 is a Pure towed gun.It must be moved by external power.

So,its firing sys to receive firing order is also supported by external power!!

If u watch the Canadian force video,u can imagine:

While few guys is emplace the gun,one or two have to switch

on small generator for the firing order comm equipment

and connect wire to the gun.I find one guy also instal the sight!!

So,when u displace,u have to do all the above again!!

Dunt tell me the isolated sight(at your left) will be in this position

when the gun is travelling!!

So,u have to take the sight down when u displace

and put it back when u emplace!!

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"Top traverse is 400 mils (23°) left and right."@

U have to do your displacement and emplacement if u receive

order outside this range!!Good luck!!That mean,call the truck driver

etc lah....Just to shift few feet!!So again,where is the power!!

May the Force be with u!!

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Compare with Pegasus sight which can stand 90 G,

(at top right hand corner of a photo i posted earlier)!

I dunt think u need to fix and put it down so troublesome!!

no.1 below---Pegasus sight can stand 90 G!!

no 2 below--M 777 sight.U have to take it down!!

no 3 and 4,Pegasus as shown in Airshow,Singapore.

http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/shinecommerce/archive/2007/12/16?m=lc

ref

@http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/BAE-Systems-Land-Systems-155-mm-Lightweight-Howitzer-M777-United-Kingdom.html

lionnoisy SG

gd4u SG

Oh Dear,both M 777 and Pegasus are classified under Janes as

Towed anti-tank guns, guns and howitzers.

http://www.janes.com/articles/jaa/towed_anti-tank_guns,_guns_and_howitzers.html

YES!! YES!!
By your logic, Both Frigates and MCMVs are also ships classified under Jane's Fighting Ships. So, If u can compare a Towed 155mm and a SP 155mm, why can't i compare a Frigate and a MCMV together ???

Similar, Boeing 747 and C-130 are classified under Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide? Can I compare them also and ask why dun SAF use B747 instead???

Your answer is no. Because they are under different uses and purposes. Likewise, M777 and Pegasus are for different uses and purposes. Yes, both are howitzers, no doubt. Both are of same calibre no doubt. But, there is still a need for forces to have both towed and SP howitzers for tactical reasons. If not, why are FH2000 and some FH88 still in service? Why dun SAF (or other armed forces across the world fot that matter) just standardise and soley rely on SPHs ???

But, my main point is that, by comparing a TH and a SPH is like comparing a frigate to a MCMV, or, for ur dumb mind, a land rover and a 5-tonner together...

I know the reason, They know the reason ...
But it seems that u are the only one who doesn't know

sgstars SG

dude, dont bother wasting time to reply to him.

he's an attention-whore and deserves this, let me quote myself in a reply to his nonsense

i learn that to (pretty applicable to anyone who gets irritated with lionnoisy)

1) respond logically is to sublimally acknowledge the inherent stupidity in your logic and try to argue against something which is supremely flawed.

2) to respond is to lend your screwed up/ swiss cheese/ Illogic/UNlogic credibility

3) to lend your logic credibility, in any means, is to lend you credibility

4) to lend you credibility, is to justify and implicitly endorse, your existence here

5) to endorse your existence, would be to condone the content of your posting. which i will not do since i m intellectually opposed to your nonsense, morally apalled by your bigotry (and utter lack of respect and balance) and physically offended by your idiocity.

therefore, i conclude according to these four principles, you dont deserve a coherent response. a coherent response only serves to embolden you and encourage you. Do you give liquer chocolates to a recovering alcoholic ? do you bring a recovering drug addict to his pusher ? do you allow a porno addict access to porno films ?

Decartes was famous for these words, I think, therefore i am. let me borrow that and apply my understanding of that to you.

you crap, therefore you are crap.

therefore, cannot post replies, you are encouraging him.

You know the please do not feed lions sign at zoo ? yeap same principle applies here. do not attempt to encourage more fallacious postings

Shotgun SG

Btw USMC using M777A2 already. They've integrated the Excalibur into the weapons and according to Colonel Peter Petronzio, CO of the 24th MEU, the M777A2 "performed like a rock star", executing more than 100 fire missions.

lionnoisy SG

OMG.u insist Pegasus is a SPH.Is it becos Pegasus

is better than M 777 then u need to classify Pegasus as SP?

Ususally,SPH come with armour.

Pl read how Janes classify

http://www.janes.com/articles.......wait and choose Land Force

http://www.janes.com/articles/indepth/jaa.html

Sections

sgstars SG

hey Mods !

lionnoisy seems to be suanning you guys for not "supporting" his position. alleging that it is wrong to take a pro-singaporean position.

contempt of court can be recontextualized into contempt of MOD ?

@lionnoisy

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and then repeat again

can you realize one thing ?we are not interested in your

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