yeap.
i do note the possibility of counter counter battery fire. but
this is a simplified example showing pegasus vs astros scenario.
very limited.
its sole purpose is to illustrate the fact that while shoot and
scoot is useful. people often forget to factor in terrain / access
routes. not necessary to postulate a u shoot me and i shoot
you.
we all know that in all probability, the enemy artillery has
been surpressed by air force CAS or unaware of our friendly guns
firing position. achieving sit awareness superiority over the enemy
and preventing them from doing so is equally important.
tracking fire is one thing. once enemy position has been
triangulated, you can estimate roughly where and what routes the
enemy will take to scoot away.
plus note that i m being really very liberal with my astro's
CEPand landing area. these are astros and not regular tube
artillery.
Yes, APU is useful. but u really think the APU can squeeze out
12kmph in muddy ground ? why is it that the FH88 a heavier gun's
APU can manage 16kmph self propelled but a later generation of
howitzer like the pegasus can only manage 12kmph ? seems like a
step backward ainnit ?
and if APU is the save all, solve all solution (which it isnt
and lionnoisy think it is), how does a SPLWH (self propelled light
weight howitzer) carriy its ammo rounds and supplies ?
are the escorting troops/ protection party expected to run
alongside the pegasus carrying arty rounds ? can the APU tow a
complement of rounds ?
do note, i dont disagree with the concept of the APU. its just
that the APU isnt the miraculous solution lionnoisy is spouting.
the way i understand it, the APU is more for facilitating fast
deployment and autoloading rather than actually moving the pegasus
around.
having an APU dosent allow the pegasus to suddenly defy laws of
gravity and achieve super rapid cross country movement. neither
does it offer increased mobility relative to towed
howitzers.
it offers a redundancy and a capability to move unaided or self
propelled without a tonner but dosent mean it is designed to
operate without a tonner or aerial replenishment.
do think about it. the APU dosent provide a paradigm shift in
the way the pegasus functions as a howitzer. it merely gives it
added capabilities. ( run and survive) which i feel are severely
ovverated. ovverated in the sense, what good is a howitzer without
a ammo supply ? what good is a unprotected howitzer (vul to SOF
directed air strike and attack)
the APU allows u to move and leave an area faster . YES, but
does it allow you to bypass roads and cut through terrain ? the
answer is still no. which kinda deflates the whole point of shoot
and scoot. its kinda like a chokepoint. trap the enemy with
superior fire and there is still a higher likelihood of u
destroying the enemy.
hmm, your scenario seems a little stretched right ? mine is just
showing how a counter battery fire which is well thought out and
planned can eliminate an artillery batery. yours is a fully fledged
all out fire support war (arty vs arty)
in any case, Pegasus are likely to be deployed as our guardsmen
brigade/ divisional assets. dont think counter battery roles would
be assigned to them. that would likely be our GMLRS Himars.
the primus is a armour brigade asset. unlikely for it to be
deployed in counter battery role but in the networked 3G SAF,
possible but unlikely given that all your assets need to be in a
really tight/ small area for so many units to be firing at any one
time.
you do make the point that the APU is useful in a run run shoot
shoot encounter but kindly substantiate it. i agree its useful. but
my point here is, in what kind of operational context ? can APU
mobility exceed towed cross country speeds ? is the APU pegasus
expected to operate independently without protection or ammunition
trains ?
SPLWH (self propelled light weight howitzer)cant carry the
ammo.
Bronco can.
you do make the
point that the APU is useful in a run run shoot shoot encounter but
kindly substantiate it. i agree its useful. but my point here is,
in what kind of operational context ? can APU mobility exceed towed
cross country speeds ? is the APU pegasus expected to operate
independently without protection or ammunition trains
?
Of course APU SP cant match towed speed.The latter trouble is u
need to sweat
a little bit to fold the gun and mount the gun into the tonner
and
vice versa when u reach your next firing position.U have to do
it even it is
10 meter away!!With APU,u just press few buttons!!Even u need
to
change the gun outside the traverse range,u need sweat a little
bit.
See how FH 2000 gunners do--
u compare powered and powerless gun then u know the
differences.
Pretend u are the gunners,which one will u choose?
The
unique feature of the FH2000 is the automation of most of its
functions. Almost anything can be accomplished by operating a few
buttons or levers.
http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2004/nov/01nov04_nr/01nov04_fs.html
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if u read M 777,all are by manual,except the hand pumps!!
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Janes does not say much on operations on Pegasus.
I dunt think MINDEF will allow the operations poorer than FH
2000.
Again what are the costs ,benefits and risks of additional
gears.
In this case in the APU.U are welcome to put forward your
ideas.
No need to be shy!!
My poiny is,with APU u have better chance to
Hide
Shoot
Scoot
hide and
WAIT again!!
Without APU,u just
shoot
wait and
pray!!Unless a tonner is waiting for u in your firing
position.
In war,it is not up to you to write the scripts.
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Dunt count on the protections!!
Save your ass and save the troubles of your mates.
