UK confirms to buy more than 100 Bronco worths 150 m pounds

slim10 SG

It is good news indeed. A $330m order is not a small thing and the UK followed that up with a $77m order for 40mm ammo.

gaoxingdcf07 SG

great day for ST ~~

this will see whether our Bronco will worked in A'stan ~~~

if it worked out,more deals for ST as our equiment is battled-tested ~~

demag_ac SG

Noisy Lion,

Please type, speak, think and dream in English.

I cannot comprehend what you are typing.

In case nobody told you, if you cannot type to let other comprehend what you are saying, you lose all credibility.

In any case, what you have post here is crap. Don't believe 100% what STK is saying.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Noisy Lion,

Please type, speak, think and dream in English.

I cannot comprehend what you are typing.

In case nobody told you, if you cannot type to let other comprehend what you are saying, you lose all credibility.

In any case, what you have post here is crap. Don't believe 100% what STK is saying.

You're wasting your effort. He is unable to comprehend what you're trying to say. He's still in his own little world.

sgstars SG

You're wasting your effort. He is unable to comprehend what you're trying to say. He's still in his own little world.

thats why i simply refuse to even engage him in a logical disucssion. its fruitless. a closed mind gains nothing.

@lionnoisy

i hereby make serious complaint to all MODs that sgty and his peers like

sg stars are disturbing the normal operations of the forums.

If MODs dunt take actions against them,i will do the same things in other forums.

Pl dunt discrminate me then.Funny once is enough.

Too much is nuisances.

the Irony of it is that you barely even realize you are describing your modius operani.

why ? cant handle the truth ? cant handle that the fact

i) you made a clone of yourself and post to support yourself ?

ii) you were caught out by sgty and couldnt explain it ?

iii) what disturbing normal operations ? this is normal operations, watching you self pwn and keeping up the pwnage ?

iv) still citing the same things i pwned ? want me to repost what i pwned previously ? and that u refuse to admit it ?

v) threatening the MODs with what "same other things"? wah, lionnoisy very bold leh, threaten MODS ? i am not discriminating against u, i m pwning you. I m not making any effort to be funny, you are the joke. I m just delivering the punchline.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

Could the mods like.. ban him from the forums or something?

Shotgun SG

I think only Fireice or admin level access can do that. And with good reason too.

sgstars SG

The irony of Lionnoisy's postings and its relevance to me is that.

i have a much much lower opinion of STK's products after i read up more about STK and listening to his constant ranting.

@fingolfin Noldor

he's just being a jackass, there are other serious mil nut forums in singapore. this one isnt serious whatsoever. its more like pubz, and lionnoisy is the king jackass that frequently starts the pub brawls

storywolf SG

I think only Fireice or admin level access can do that. And with good reason too.

Stop complaining !!! You all are guilty crossing the line bullying lionnoisy or as bystander let other cross the line. Well you all created this monster, now you have to live with it !!! Banned him - then you better also banned those who create this monster !

sgstars SG

eh abang !

dont like that lah, please examine the facts and truths from offcial sources first (to quote lionnoisy)

like it or not, Lionnoisy has being dumping his crap all over SGforums. not just the milnuts forums, but the political forums (where he blatantly claims to be Pro-PAP and flamebaiting and attracting brickbats all the time)

Lionnoisy is a monster out of your definition and Monster is a value judgement that really depends on your perspective. I personally wouldnt call him a monster even though i think he's a first class idiot.

In case you havent realize, the line is drawn in the manner of which we respond to lionnoisy. its always a rearguard action, a defensive manuever. no one attacks or calls lionnoisy a monster out of choice, but responds to him. ITs not a offensive gesture, its not aggressive in nature. its always passive.

That degree of response, depending on the individual usually ranges from

A) offering a logical rebuttal (which never works)

B) making fun of him (which usually does)

and which of either response that you disagree with ? response A is not appropriate since he just ignores it and floods with a wall of text. Response B is morally and Ethically wrong ?

lets not apply value judgements here. Lionnoisy is making a fool of himself and is to be treated like a fool. its measure for measure. Dont try to claim the moral high ground by saying we are all bullying lionnoisy. He's behaving like a clown. ought to be treated like one.

remember too, we never labelled lionnoisy as a monster. Its you who are labelling him as a monster.

Fingolfin_Noldor SG

God... why is it that most of the idiots around here can't even put forward a coherent argument to even defend someone? What this idiot is essentially saying is that it is not good to ban monsters!

sgstars SG

God... why is it that most of the idiots around here can't even put forward a coherent argument to even defend someone? What this idiot is essentially saying is that it is not good to ban monsters!

it'd be nice if you could appreciate the irony here.

we are all becoming idiots arguing over an idiot because we cant agree on whether the idiot is a monster or is a plain idiot, or defending others who believe that its an idiot.

and no, if you understand where this idiot(storywolf) is coming from, he's using a cause and effect essentialist explaination, blaming everyone else for everything. Which doubles the irony because he dosent realize that he is contributing to the overall idiocity of the entire situation.

Its supreme irony that we are all becoming idiots because of an argument over an idiot whose idiocity is beyond dispute.(referring to lionnoisy here). i guess that is the nature of Sgforums. pub brawls and not really serious discussion.

Shotgun SG

Arguing over an idiot... Really slick guys.

Pop a chill pill, and take the posts with a pinch of salt, dash of pepper and a sense of humor. =D

storywolf SG

it'd be nice if you could appreciate the irony here.

we are all becoming idiots arguing over an idiot because we cant agree on whether the idiot is a monster or is a plain idiot, or defending others who believe that its an idiot.

Sure i am contributing to the overall idiocity by siting on the grand stand with pop-corn to see the most idiot show in circus !!!

Why not when the most idiot circus act is on - "idiot lion hunted by idiot hunters". Making fun of lion work? yep in your dream, it make you all more funnier !!! As the hunters lost direction and they became more funny then lion.

This is even getting funnier - now the casts that put up the idiot show is blaming audience for being idiot to see their idiot show.

Lionnoisy - Oscar award best actor

Hunters - Oscar award best supporting cast

Storywolf - Oscar award best supporting audience

Military nut - Oscar award best circus and comedy channel

lionnoisy SG

added on 24 Feb,actual Warthog

''Displayed is a standard Bronco with many of the Warthog modifications''

http://www.janes.com/events/exhibitions/idex2009/

pl read my post on .24 Feb

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show---Originally posted by sgstars:

crap i cant believe in.

1) you couldnt differentiate between the Bv206, Mk I viking and mk2 viking and you think you can cover your sorry ass with this lousy phathetic statement ?

i m sorry lionnoisy, you are taking your stupidity to another level. one which i wont stand for.

reading your posts is like watching someone who rolls in a spot where he has just relieved himself of shit.

2) MOD requirements do not state IED protection. they are more worried about mines in afghanistan rather than IED.

relevance ? IRAQ not = afghanistan moron.

which part of MOD says they not happy with the viking ? everything ive posted here seems to suggest otherwise.

dont be a clown and persist on your one-track logic. you want relevance ? its staring right in your face. relavance which you cant deny or run away from lionnoisy.

fact : BvS10 combat proven, combat tested, well regarded
unknown : Bronco, not combat proven, not combat tested. operational use yes. but operational use under extreme conditions, NO.

fact : Lionnoisy cannot differentiate between BvS10 and BvS10 mark II and tries to cover up for it by editing post later

3) why cannot answer my point about not being combat proven / climate conditions ? too stupid to think ? post other people's post without thinking ?

why cant u read and differentiate the difference between viking mk I and mk 2 ? after pwnage then change the original post ?

(self-pwn)(self-pwn) = self-pwn²

why are you asking me about the specs of ST eng brochure ? if ST eng PDF say bronco can fly to the moon and come back you'd believe ? if ST eng say it produce AMAP-ADS would you believe ? if ST eng brochure tells me that Lionnoisy is a dumbass would i believe ? sure certainly ! i can believe that.

how about this :

any proof of the bronco doing this in real life ?

quoting a ST eng brochure isnt evidence. it isnt facts. its just shows your level of desperation when u cant find stuff to post.

flogging a dead horse again my dear lion ? or should i quote you on this ?

explaination : Yes, its OBVIOUS you DONT K(NO)W ANYTHING.

3) so now you resort to 3rd hand postings , not even acknowledging the user who posted the content and the poster who posted the link ?

lol... whatever happened to your OFFICIAL SOURCE and OFFICIAL SITE and OFFICIAL evidence ?

you realized that this is about credible as wiping your soiled bottom with a tissue paper and trying to pass it off as currency ?

the poster's point (i) is rendered moot, the mk2 viking has an added capacity to carry and have more heavy armour

(ii) i cant contest since i havent read the Jane's article

(iii) the poster entirely discounts the fact that operational conditions under combat fire affect a vehicle's SOP and management quite differently from normal situation.

i.e , if you have a viking, you more or less know where the quirks/flaws/weaknesses are, rather than a untested/ unfamiliar platform whose reliability under combat strain and conditions are not known.

i.e u cant compare operating lim chu kang Area D with Afghanistan Helmland province. you have so many other variables like

-threat level

-environmental

-humidity

and many others i cant be bothered to mention for the sheer straightfowardness of it.

would they rather have a platform when the realize the 2nd vehicle/coupled module may roll over in battle conditions ? would they have a platform when they realise that the hydraulics may fail under certain temperature conditions ?

combat proven and tested is a invaluable factor that shows that the platform is stable and tested and can be relied upon to function when called to duty. Why you make so much noise about Wedgetail and orphan platforms in the australia thread when you dont acknowledge the Bronco being in the same position ?

why the bigotry lionnoisy ? why ? double- standards ? answer the fucking qn here.

point (iv) no contest. its one of te selling points of the Bronco, modularity = versatality

point (V) : i m sure that knowledgeable poster would be aware of that AMAP-ADS dosent come standard on all broncos.

I m equally sure that the german IBD passive armour package is neither standard issue and is avaliable as a modular add on.

suffice to say, its like saying, WOW, this car has all these accessories, but in reality, you have no interest in acquiring all of them. big deal really.

ive rebutted your points and supposedly non "OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION AND PROOF" nonsense.

now, tell me, whats a queene ? i m still eagerly awaiting that one. tell me the performance of the BvS 10 ?

and yes you idiot, the Viking Mk2 can do all that and more. even the current viking can haul a SR mortar. simply proves my point you never ever read the links you post or what others post ?

can the bronco haul an ATGM team behind ? is the Bronco Air conditioned ?

even the BV206 can function as a mortar carrier.

your talk about the viking lacking these capabilities is a NON-issue. their class of vehicles offer a degree of modularity and flexibility in operations.

Bronco can do all the above and MORE!!

Pl dunt think Bronco is not proven in war then is not good.

ST guys have tested Bronco in extreme weathers and in ST facilitites.

The choice of UK MOD speaks volume for the absolute ability of BvS 10

and the comparsions between two!!BvS 10 was proved to be not up to tasks

in Afghanistan!!

"we (lion note :UK MOD)have reached the limit of its ability to carry extra weight and protection. This is why we intend to replace Viking in Afghanistan with an alternative, better protected, high mobility vehicle, to be known as Warthog;"

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmhansrd/cm081029/wmstext/81029m0001.htm

A platform fielded in war dunt mean it is PROVEN!!

It is to be proved!!

Now it is proved BvS 10

not suitable for the tasks there.Pl note i am not saying BvS 10

is bad.It is just ,according to UK MOD with a UK House of Common Hansard report

i list above,

not suitable continued to be fielded in Afghan.

All the remainder of BvS 10 will be recalled

and continue their service in UK!!79 % of the remaining fleeting are still

Fit for Purposes,minus 18 vehicles waiting to be replaced.

The BvS 10 are still good for service in UK,but not in Afghan combat situation!!

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u said:any proof of the bronco doing this in real life ?

ST guys do not need to lie in brochure.First ST is not 100% profits driven.

The defense of SG is top priority,not the $$$.2 nd,ST is a listed company.

All the official info is liable for sue from investors if the info is found

not correct or misleading.ST guys would be damn stupid if they bluff

in the brochure.They are not looking for many business in order to get

big bonus!!Therefore,i have confidences,as much as UK MOD,that Bronco

can perform all the followings.How about current and proposed(future)

BvS 10????

Bronco --below with 120 mm Super Rapid Advanced Mortar Sys--SRAMS(in production and in servise)

Aerospace 2004
Copyrights 2005 - www.one35th.com

http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_variants.htm---valuable sources of Bionix

and Bronco here.

lionnoisy SG

i forget to put sources of spec

http://www.stengg.com/upload/914WVBGLfb3dh4hGDkd.pdf

http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf

NewKidOnTheBlock SG

"I repeat my serious appeal

to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!

No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,

and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when

people watching news and see Yankee carring a SAR 21!!

Then they remember Oh Singapore." >> LionNoisy

I am just curious .. whats the big deal about bidding for M4 replacement ?? Its all about $$$$ especially in this bad economy .. If ST K can win the bid to replace the M4s .. we are talking about alot of $$$ , not to mention our pride of the SAR 21 being M-I-S ( Made in Singapore )

To have the US soldiers carry SAR 21s is just like having the terrorists carrying China or Russian Made AK kalashinovs .. Do we associate the terrorists with China or Russia ? No rite ? Those were your own views .. sadly . that i view as biased and self-opininated ..

For the Record , I wouldnt mind the US army carrying SAR21s with GL .. and I am Singaporean. I would say Yay to any friendly country interested in our defence products.. why not ? So to say NO Singaporean would want to associate .. would be a unfair statement rite ? This would be probably why other forumers are quick to rebutt you.

lionnoisy SG

"I repeat my serious appeal

to ST Kientics NOT to bid for US rifle M 4 replacement !!

No singaporean want to associate with US army who carry a SAR 21,

and a 40 mm GL with ABSM!!This will create troubles for SG when

people watching news and see Yankee carring a SAR 21!!

Then they remember Oh Singapore." >> LionNoisy

oh thanks for feed back.Can u move to M4 replacement to continue discussions?

lionnoisy SG

Janes Defense Weekly 12.11.2008 provides proposed spec of

BvS 10 Mk 2 :by Christopher F Foss reported from Oruskoldsvik, Sweden:

(lion note:who did pay for his bills?)

I am suprised that by increasing one ton,pay load can be increased by near one fold.

But it is sad to learn IBD Active Defense Sys is to be demonstrated

within 12 months.UK MOD is Urgently looking for replacement.How can they

wait for BvS 10 Mk 2 to be proved within 12 months?

They need off the shelf products and to be sent to Afhgan.

JDW Titled ---BvS 10 enhanced to Mk 2 Standard

summary--

---all current BvS 10 can be converted to Mk 2 spec.

payload at least 5.8 tons(lion note---5800 kg,currently BvS 10 3160kg,

.........................................Mk 1 max 3850 kg)

Gross Vehicle Weight(GVW) increased by just one ton to more than 13 tons,

BOQ--nearly double that of the legacy vehicle for just a ton invrease in GVW

EOQ

Proposed spec from JDW

---developed and tested in 2a and 2 b mine protection for front and rear

units,

--BOQ-IBD Active Defense Sys to be demonstrated on vehicle within 12 months,EOQ

---engine 6.9 liter.improved steering,braking,suspension,and cooling sys,

----eletricity 240 A,

references

1.http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/@businesses/@landarmaments/documents/bae_publication/la_hagg_brochure_bvs10.pdf

2.step by step to ATTC in Janes

http://www.janes.com/articles/

Land Forces

http://www.janes.com/articles/indepth/jmvl.html

*ALL-TERRAIN CARRIERS AND PRIME MOVERS/Singapore/Singapore Technologies Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (ATTC)

*ALL-TERRAIN CARRIERS AND PRIME MOVERS/Sweden/BAE Systems Hägglunds Bandvagn Bv 206 all-terrain carrier

3.http://www.one35th.com/attc/attc_pioneer4.htm

k,,,

lionnoisy SG

UK MOD is still looking for 47 to 212 units of All Terrain Vehicle (Support),

to replace BV 206.

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