MX 5 Test Drive Accident Part 2

last SG · 2005-11-01T11:02:56+00:00

cos fines and demerit points won’t scare people

Icemoon SG

Hmm .. here is a no brainer suggestion. Why don't you find SpoonX?

I mean up to now .. he is the only person who knows both the deceased and the accused directly. He should be quite prominent at the wake. Do you know your cousin (God bless her) was supposed to have lunch with him the very next day?

You want to check out more, but you left out the most important person in the puzzle now.

mamaphilia SG

confused

Rexdriver SG

As much as we might feel sad for the deceased and her family, that is not a justification for the reflex reaction of putting the blame on the driver who survived. Some of the conclusions and remarks made in this thread are so naive and judgmental - very Singaporean indeed.

mamaphilia SG

ya lor. typical sporean. loose face loose face. shame on u all. NATO - no action talk only.

accident lor not murder lor. e accused did not speed mah. spoonX oredi reported tt fact. so must b accident la.

Icemoon SG

It also begs the question whether every accident must have an accused. We might as well blame LTA who laid the metal plates on the road right?

Icemoon SG

erm .. I think philia and me are not saying that it is a fact that accused didn't speed.

SpoonX and aloof guy's account of the accident show the possibility that the driver might not be speeding. Then Ah Heng pointed out the physics behind this possibility and related his real life racing experiences. Some other forummers also confirmed with their own experience.

In short, what Ah Heng did was to point out what the students are learning for O levels A Maths topic on relative velocity:

V(a) = V(a/b) + V(b) => V(a/b) = V(a) - V(b)
if velocities are 40km/h for both it will be 40-(-40) = 80.

the definition of speeding is already a problem. ninelives claimed that eyewitness(es) reported the car was speeding. but does speeding mean it is 10km/h over the speed limit or 100km/h.

nOrmalbOi SG

nothing related to this.

just that i found out that a fren was actually in the same part time marketing class as her. he too was shocked when he discovered that accident victim and classmate were the same person..

sigh..

now.. let the law take the appropriate actions ba.. argue this quarrel that oso not gonna help anything

mamaphilia SG

Isit? No leh. Since u like to ask for proof so much hor, proof the below lor. Obviously its a fact lor - u ppl must be working for the CID.

Originally posted by philia:

And I am sick of Initial D being mentioned here. The driver was not trying to re-enact any of those fictitious scenes of Initial D. He was not even speeding to begin with.

girlnextdoor SG

hello just wanted to say a lil something. the car was driving on wet rd when it skiided.. lost control.. went over the curb, hit the OPPOSITE traffic then flipped over. after it has skiided... its got nothing to do with whatever speed he was going at. the impact of hitting the opposite traffic is enough to flip the car over. yup thanks.. just wanted people who dont know the situation full well to understand...

girlnextdoor SG

Originally posted by Icemoon:

Hmm .. here is a no brainer suggestion. Why don't you find SpoonX?

I mean up to now .. he is the [b]only person who knows both the deceased and the accused directly. He should be quite prominent at the wake. Do you know your cousin (God bless her) was supposed to have lunch with him the very next day?

You want to check out more, but you left out the most important person in the puzzle now.[/b]

i dont think spoonX attended the wake..

Icemoon SG

wah leow .. can you pple dun try to confuse me?

inline said he did.

mamaphilia SG

Originally posted by SpoonX:
Finally all heresay are just plain Bullshit. There was no merc involve at all.. YEs there were 2 guys that went down to view the cars together but they both went down in one car. Not the mercedes. the other only ask how much can trade in the merc. never once did the merc appeared in this whole incident. See baseless accusation again.

Lastly. You all are angry?

I WAS AT THE WAKE SEEING MY FREN LYING IN THE COFFIN A LAST TIME WHEN I WAS SUPPOSE TO HAVE LUNCH WITH HER A DAY BEFORE THE FUNERAL!!!! I'M FUCKING MORE UPSET HERE THAN ANY OF YOU PRICKS HERE THROWING ACCUSATION HERE AND THERE!!!!
YES SO HAPPEN I TOO KNOW THE DRIVER AND HIS FREN THAT WENT DOWN TO VIEW THE CAR ABD SO HAPPEN I RUSHED DOWN TO THE ACCIDENT SCENE.
SO HAPPEN I MANAGE TO GET INFO AND REPORTS AND SPOKE TO BY STANDERS AND DRIVER OF THE VAN INVOLVED ON THE ACCIDENT SO WAT?
CAN U GUYS HERE BRING HER BACK TO LIFE BY HAULING ACCUSATION??
CAN U IMAGINE THE PAIN AND TORMENT THE DRIVER IS NOW GOING THRU?
CAN U IMAGINE HOW FUCKING HURT I WAS WHEN I SEE ANGELIA IN THE COFFIN?

SO STOP ALL THESE BASLESS ACCUSATION AND LET ANGELIA REST IN PEACE AND LET THE DRIVER SUFFER HIS GUILT TORMENT FOR LIFE!!![/b]

So you mean 2 say SpoonX n his side-kick inline lie? Aiyo.......lie abt these kind of things good meh?

Say go wake but nvr go.

Say got 2 ppl go test drive but later admit that actually there is 3 ppl tt go test drive the car.

SpoonX oso no say that his fren recently just buy a fiat punto n had no intention to buy e mx-5 in his postings. Not vely neutral leh.

Why ppl want to lie ah? Good meh like dat? Got bao ying one you know? So fact or fiction? All his supporters must feel very sad hor.

[email protected] SG

is that true? how do u know that?

[email protected] SG

Might I remind all that this thread is getting out of hand, getting personal and getting very 'flamey'

Crux of the matter here is that we're discussing what could have happened, and whatever ideas we put forth, has to be supportedby logic and clear explanation. Do not like seeing thing get very personal here, especially considering that someone has died and another person is possibly mentally ruined.

If things get way too out of hand, I WILL ask the mod to shut this thread down, and to ban all threads concerning this topic. We do not need people to come here and villify someone who hasn't been convicted in the courts.

This will be the final warning for everyone discussing this topic to tone it down. I will be keeping close watch from now on. Any sort of flaming, be it against one another, or unfairly against anyone involved in the accident, will result in this discussion being terminated.

SexFrenzy SG

Philia, if your mom died in a car accident and someone told you : your mom should have told the driver not to speed. Your mom should have taken the "correct route". Your mom should have made sure the driver is old enough to control the vehicle. How would u feel?

Ask your daddy who is to blame for the accident. He'll probably say the SE didn't do this and didn't do that and the Driver did all he could. Well I have news for you buddy!!!! It's all the driver's fault!

In all my years as a prominent solicitor, I have never seen a case where a passive passenger is charged with causing a traffic accident.

Do you now admit you're ridiculous and insensitive? Would you retract your statements and issue an apology for your insensitive comments? This is the least you could do and that is the decent thing to do.

oxford mushroom SG

Causing death by reckless speeding should be charged with manslaughter and sentenced to a minimum of 10 years’ imprisonment and caning.

SexFrenzy SG

That was my friend the "prominent solicitor" who also works for me on occassion. This may have been considered by many as an encounter between a high-profile lawyer and a school going teenager with limited formal education (Philia). Although his reasoning displays arrogance well beyond his years, it clearly lacks the strength of someone with post graduate qualifications and substantial real world experience. While one was assured and confident, the other was eager to please and uncomfortable. However, it was Philia who was sweating. By his stance, Philia has made it clear that if he isnt speaking for the people he is certainly still speaking to them.

No brilliance is required in law, just common sense and relatively clean fingernails. Philia is far too clever for his own good. He likes to experiment with the facts, which can prove to be a complete waste of time. He also totally lacks common sense". The kids a nightmare, absolutely impossible extremely arrogant and appalling" was the criticism levelled at Philia.

philia SG

I am going to begin with your comments aimed at me. Here are the following scenarios you presented to me:

1. Your mom should have told the driver not to speed
The driver was not speeding as quoted from SpoonX. Therefore I do not see any relation between your remark and the accident.
2. Your mom should have taken the "correct route"
3. Your mom should have made sure the driver is old enough to control the vehicle.

The aforementioned remarks are in no way related to my proposal of "points to ponder". If you read my previous posts, I have been stressing the following points that are worth considering (quoted from reliable sources: Newspaper articles and SpooX):

1. Salesgirl failed to recognize the route which, in the first place, questioned her eligibility to accompany the driver for a test-drive.
2. Either the salesgirl / the showroom itself has allowed the "underaged" driver to proceed with the test drive.

Your scenarios involving my mom is a huge deviation from my points that I presented (bearing the the fact that yours are a clear-cut finger pointing while mine is no more than a proposal of points that should be taken into consideration). After reading my posts and views, whether or not you decide to point the finger at the salesgirl is totally insignificant for me. Of course if, upon reading my supported "points to ponder", you decided to come up with such conclusions, it is totally beyond my control.

Anyway, with regards to "In all my years as a prominent solicitor, I have never seen a case where a passive passenger is charged with causing a traffic accident." I would like to highlight that I did not try to push the blame to the salesgirl nor did I ever stated that she should be charged by the law. Therefore, I deem your statement unneccessary in relation to my posts.

So much for me trying to present some sensible and legit factors.

philia SG

Mr. Solicitor. I do not see the relation of your statement and the accident; point being there is no tangible evidence to show that the driver was speeding. Researches, interviews and witnesses' accounts gathered by SpoonX has led him to a conclusion that the driver was travelling well within the speed limit.

Furthermore, none here has the right to pass any kind of verdict. Instead, as bystanders, it is socially imperative that we adopt a neutral stance in response to an accident.

philia SG

A few conclusions that I drew from your statements:
1. I lack of common sense
2. I am a nightmare
3. I am arrogant
4. I am appalling
5. I am a kid

In reference to your "lawful" stance, I beg you to provide evidences to support every single part of your statements. Otherwise, they are merely assumptions.

A question for you. Does it require a Phd in order for a person to adopt a neutral stance in his / her judgments towards a given event or scenario? Does a person who falls under the classification of "teen" makes him / her incapable of being impartial in his / her point of views and proposals?

Also, please provide a substantial proof behing my "eagerness to please and uncomfortable" and how my ""reasoning diplays arrogance"

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