Russia Unveils new Air Defence System - 400km Range

Arthas79 SG

I disagree. The precedent of having a long range surface to air missile system has already been set by Singapore; via the bloodhounds.

Edit: To the contrary these systems are fairly expensive to purchase. I recall a few batteries of Patriot missiles can cost > USD 1-2 billion. And there are not `many' potent new jets flying around in SEA. If these systems are so cheap, you would see them sprouting all around the world. And you would still need to integrate them into your defence systems which would take more time and money.

I seriously doubt the ability of neighbouring countries in acquiring and operating expensive systems. In the case of your example, where are they going to find the money to purchase the Aster 30s if the latter missile is selected? Bear in mind that the RMN chose the Aster-15s first after extensive studies but reverted to the ESSM(range is actually

The Indonesians are grappling with cost issues just as well. Look at thier airforce. Moreover, these are larger countries with the ability to absorb more damage. Look at thier SAM systems. They have never really bothered about them. We are not like them.

The biggest plausible reason to acquiring a long range SAM came from the Defence minister himself. He was referring to intermediate missiles from rogue states like North Korea. That would require a long range SAM system to counteract against.

And as mentioned, newer medium range missiles are much longer ranged than the I-hawks. The I-hawks are slated to be around for less Smile

touchstone_2000 SG

I have posted on S-300/400 on another old thread.

This system was developed for USSR/Russia's air defence. All the batteries are with the PVO units. As they have very long boders, the missiles had to be long range.

Now if we were to plant a similar system into SEA, that air defense system now becomes a strategic offensive weapon. We can deny the air space for Malaysia and Indonesia. So the context has changed.

From a deployment perspective, it becomes a MLRS primary target. So much so that I would deploy it on "acquired territory" at the earliest opportunity. That way any kind attack against the missiles will not be on Singapore territory.

Shotgun SG

The MLRS would have to FIND the Flaplid first before it can target it. Considering our AEW capabilities, I don't think our SAMs will light up that easily to be found by their SIGINT/ELINT capabilities.

lwflee SG

I was getting annoyed that no one seemed to be interested in this fantastic piece of kit!

Imagine the malaysian's consternation when we splash out. Laughing

gary1910 SG

Vietnam already has S-300 LR SAM.

amusing_dick SG

yeah US have got nuclear subs buried deep down under god knows where even capable of hiding under the ice sheets of artic,antartic equipped with nuclear harpoon arms that is meant to retaliate in just minutes upon attacks to their main US continent.

touchstone_2000 SG

You are right about SIGINT etc. I was thinking of something more low tech, like Humint. Mark it up as a first strike target. Just blanket the whole area or base.

Hence my suggestion on deploying it on "acquired territory" as soon as possible.

coolant SG

Look at my 2nd post, I did realize Viet Army actually operates S-300 then, but same as Myanmar, IMO, Vietnams isolated behavior is hardly taken for reference among the traditional members of S.E.A represented by traditional members of ASEAN. Smile

gary1910 SG

First thing LR SAM is a defensive nature weapon , it is against offending enemy a/c and perhaps missile as well, afterall SG did own one before.

And MY was looking at China KS-1A LR SAM , did anyone tell them not the break the status quo? Laughing

If you want to talk abt some new capability that is offensive in nature will be Brahmos LR cruise missile which MY and Indon are interested in them, and that is a new capability that no one in SEA has atm, so in fact they are the one that might be breaking the status quo becos of it's offensive nature!

So isn't the right for someone to have some defensive nature weapon to counter them?

S-400 , Patriot and even Arrow come to mind.

In fact, to maintain the status quo, we should get GPS guided ATACMS as well!! Twisted Evil

coolant SG

Yes, so probably, SAF will be the 1st force in this region to deploy advanced 3G long range SAMs, simply because Singapore being a city state, naturally is much more vulnerable than other states in the periphery, especially those countries are in the procession of acquiring cruise missiles with land attacking capability. MAF is interested in Brahmos, TNI purchased some Chinese made C-802 and some reports saying Indon is now developing a land attacking cruise missile based on C802, TNI also is looking at possible Russian made SS-N-26 Yakhont buy, a predecessor of Brahmos. In view of all these new developments around, I guess, if anyone does purchase a NG long range SAMs firstly, it will be SAF. Appearance of LACM does presenting a shift in status quo if anyone wants to argue.

BTW, KS-1A which MAF could probably be its 1st customer, is still a MR SAM with 50kms maximum. Wink

Arthas79 SG

Weapon system evolve and countries would have to constantly upgrade thier arsenal. It is a temporal issue all countries have to grapple with.

BTW, KS-1A which MAF could probably be its 1st customer, is still a MR SAM with 50kms maximum.

Oh come on, talk is cheap. Will they take 10-20 years to consider this like many of thier other equipment? It could possibly be obsolete by then.

Nevertheless, it proves that cost is a great issue for countries with small budgets when it comes to purchasing such items. Malaysia would have opted for a more capable but expensive system otherwise.

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