Singapore must help malaysia if indonesia attacks

last SG · 2007-06-15T00:19:57+00:00

aussie? with their 50,000 strong standing army... by the time the aussie can muster sufficient military manpower for war against indonesia... i think the wa...

ispyyy SG

haha…. if really there is a war among malaysia, singapore and indonesia, I think the chance Malaysia gang with Indonesia to fight Singapore is much much higher…. Muslim country help muslim country mah … But there again, Singapore is worthless to conquer

tripwire SG

you are contradicting yourself... if singapore is worthless to conquer... than the chances of a combine MAF TNI attack on singapore would be equally remote...

muslim countries do not neccessarily help one another... even in middle east.. muslims are killing muslims... in fact alot lot lot lot more muslims died in muslim hand then those killed in all the war against isreal.

Konfrontasi.... is probably a better example...

and given an option... which one do you think indonesia want more? a devastated small island or east malaysia with all the oil timber and natural resouces?

you want big lobster or you want a sesame seed? Wink

FBI SG

why must we helps malaysia? because of the water?

if we helps, we won't win indon anyway.

the best is to stay out, watch both of them fight

ispyyy SG

I am saying if really there is a war among malaysia, singapore and indonesia, I think the chance Malaysia gang with Indonesia to fight Singapore is much much higher. U need to have a very strong reason or able to surpass their internal conflicts by force to start a war. By judging from Indonesia political situation, the chance for Indonesia to attack Singapore is much much higher than Malaysia.
And to elaborate further, Singapore is doing well among south east asia. If Singapore is arrogant, the people of Indonesia will not even mind invading Signapore. To them, Singapore is just a red dot.
While Malaysia is an islamic country, if Indonesia do declare war on Malaysia, their people will mind...

So whether there is a war among malaysia, singapore and indonesia, the chance is very very small. Because, Singapore is worthless to be invaded in the eyes of a strategist.

tripwire SG

i personally believe that indonesia lacks the ability to cross water to attack peninsula malaysia... and any conflict between them would be limited to east malaysia given the common land border...

and probably shelling of malaysia's west coast by TNI from sumatra... and maybe sabouteurs and special forces that could slip into peninsula malaysia across the long coast line of melaka.

water is not an issue... and i doubt malaysia would be that stupid to threaten us to help them by threatening our water supply...

tripwire SG

Originally posted by ispyyy:

I am saying if really there is a [b]war among malaysia, singapore and indonesia, I think the chance Malaysia gang with Indonesia to fight Singapore is much much higher. U need to have a very strong reason or able to surpass their internal conflicts by force to start a war. By judging from Indonesia political situation, the chance for Indonesia to attack Singapore is much much higher than Malaysia.
And to elaborate further, Singapore is doing well among south east asia. If Singapore is arrogant, the people of Indonesia will not even mind invading Signapore. To them, Singapore is just a red dot.
While Malaysia is an islamic country, if Indonesia do declare war on Malaysia, their people will mind...

So whether there is a war among malaysia, singapore and indonesia, the chance is very very small. Because, Singapore is worthless to be invaded in the eyes of a strategist. [/b]

countries do not go to war... over arrogance... such would at best serve as a lame excuse rather then the real reason for war...

histories past and present has shown that sharing common religion, culture and even races are no guarantee for peace....

and the most common reason for war has been over competition for natural resources...

SpecOps87 SG

Supply arm to one side, supply money to the other…and when shit hits the fan, they kill each other, and we take over their land. And frankly…if things does happen…losers are us. Why? We don’t have any strategic depth man! and to launch an attack on West M’sia…they need a staging area…which is S’pore.So either way…we’re farked!

tripwire SG

if indonesia really wanna wack west malaysia.. sumatra is a far better staging area despite the lack of a bridge...

and yes... if indonesia really do occupy west malaysia.. we are Farked... so.. make an alliance with indonesia and Fark west malaysia while TNI fark east malaysia...

even indonesia cannot go on a two front war at the same time.. and if we can help to take out west malaysia.. it would smooth their invasion of east malaysia..

we become their allies.. Mr. Green

Arapahoe SG

i believe political and military top brass when they look at the geopolitical region they realized that it is not Sin, My, Indo that they are concern, if you realized none of us alone can take any country single hand without being political sucide unless they combine arms. So long as we do not joint arm forces we remained status quo.

There might be social unrest, people on the ground might be beating war drum but i believe military top brass and politician in SE are more wary of the newly giant future behavior as it dealt with the demand for resources and both MY and Indo are more concern with that aspect.

ispyyy SG

u r looking at view point from leader to leader, government to government but not from leader to commoners...
A smart strategist can only start war when they have their support of their people. It is easier to convince their people to attack countries that have different in culture, religion and race than to convince their people to attack countries that are the same in culture, religion and race.
And furthermore pro islam political leaders does affect alot in Indonesia government.

Well... I not saying that u r wrong... true that the most common reason for war is the competitiion of natural resources. But if u think deeper, before they can start the war, they need the support of their people either thru force or reasoning...

kerts SG

indonesia dun even nid us le. they alone can take us out le.

the population of indon stands at 200 million, they jus nid to send 10% of their population armed with sampans n paddles to our shores... ...

tripwire SG

10 million people on sampan... reminds me of an idiot malaysian who said the same thing about malaysia vs singapore...

dont be silly... lah...

tripwire SG

indonesia is of a different class of its own... indonesia is porbably the only country that is capable of taking out another country and still be able to withstand any political fallout...

and lets stop dragging the issue all over the place... the question here is... which side should singapore be in a malaysia and indonesia war... my take is that we should stand with the winners.. indonesia of course.

tripwire SG

trust me... its not that difficult for a govt in convincing the people of its nation on who is the evil country that must be crushed... given the modern mass media...

beavan SG

cheers to the good guys!

tankee1981 SG

Steady lah! Thats one pai gia pak cik! Very Happy

ferryman2393 SG

don’t get tangle up in somebody else’s fight. lest u don’t have the stomach for it. whoever wins, u lose.

SpecOps87 SG

Actually...what I fear is not the media publishing half-truths or untruths...its when some idiot with power like Osama, but now is a General or Minister with his/her/its merry band of supporters suddenly decides to call a Jihad. A bazillion others will follow suit in the same direction. And we have war...war at a level which we will be spread thin, to secure and deter, while others slog it out. The men activated results in economic breakdown, civil problems and when we are weak, some bugger comes in and bangs us.

And with both M'sia and Indonesia being pre-dominantly Muslim countries...I seriously hope that PMP produces enough ammo of 5.56mm and 7.62mm man.

red_amoeba SG

actually my take is, Singapore won't take either side bcos it will be fatal. Neither side has the might to wipe out each other. Indonesia will be able to defend but not conquer. Where can the war beak out? The potential hotspots are in Kalimantan area where there is oil - and thats so ulu. So there might be some scuffles but not full scale war.

malaysia don't have the resources to invade and who wants Kalimantan - its all rainforest and hilly terrain. And Indonesia has neither the reosources to invade Sabah and Sarawak - their army is not that well equipped.

so, if a scuffle broke out in Kalimantan, Singapore can remain neutral and go to Asean and ask for peaceful settlement. And I don't think Jakarta will go whack KL, firstly, they are all muslims, and there is no such disparity between Sini and shites as in middle east. Moreover, Indonesia has more oil than Malaysia, so why go whack Malaysia? Its not as if Malaysia is doing so well. Moreover, geographically Malaysia is not the border neighbour of Indonesia (except Kalimantan). The akward neighbour is Singapore.

Hence whoever fight will probably threaten Singapore to let them use us as staging area or use our base else we get invaded. Ditto for Malaysia - but Singapore is not stupid either, once we have sensed this happening, you can bet there will be open mob and US will have park an aircraft carrier in Changi liao.

Arapahoe SG

I think politically siding with indo is like Stalin signing peace treaty with German. Do you really think that siding with Indo is going to last once Indo finish off MY. It does nobody any good if MY looses or win and become a super power or Indo become supper power.

Indo is huge but it is thin. its fragment. I do not believe it can withstand a political fallout as u can see we are all worry that its has so many ethnic group that is going independent. it faces Aus from the south, it face MY who is going to grad the resources. Phil disputed island.

the bottom line is - "Side" no one if you need to side than stick with MY, commonweath states there are benefit that comes with the membership.
FPDA.

Learn from chinese history of the 7 warring states who has the symbios relationship.

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