Sg buy 300 Terrex AV81 IFV?

Delta 5 SG

Actually I favour a return to the old style armoured force which emphasizes armour and firepower. I cannot imagine American forces with Strykers taking on T-80s, T-90s or Type 90/98 MBTs in a war against potential adversaries. Just say that staring down the barrel of 125mm armed tanks with just a vehicle armed with a small autocannon and limited numbers of ATGWs is not an attractive option.

LazerLordz SG

Precisely, but realisitcally speaking, the era of open battle between armoured divisions on plains are over.

Still we need good ol MBTs for those thunder runs. Nothing beats shaking the enemy with the blast of a 120mm main gun at urban distance.

Delta 5 SG

Precisely... I am glad the SAF still has MBTs in service Mr. Green

Hmmm are you from armour?

bcoy SG

IF this report is true, then I guess the V200s used by the ASU should be replaced by Terrex in a few years time.

These vehicles can be assigned or attached to various Guards or Infantry brigades, providing support when the missions requires it.

Wheeled APCs provide better protection when compared to transport by 5 tonners for certain types of missions.

Organisation will be different from amoured units (ie. the vehicles may not be organic to the Guards/Infantry units, unlike armoured units).

I used to be from a Guards unit that operates with the V200s from ASU. I've always wondered about the use of the new Terrex.

In addition - the Terrex can be used as platforms for other systems like mobile SAMs.

Shotgun SG

There's nothing like dropping a 500lb Laser Guided Bomb lased by ground forces on a heavily armored tank either.

The problem with tank killer variants like the terrex and stryker is not their inability to kill tanks. They can.

The problem is, they are vulnerable to everything else, inclusive of shoulder launched RPG etc. U dun need an MBT to kill a terrex, an IFV with rapid fire 25mm sabots can do the same.

nextdayagain SG

hoorah! hoorah! hoorah!

lionnoisy SG

1.Sg have lost again in IFV,as expected.
Belgium Selects Pirahna IIIs for $850M APC Contract,
Controversies Ensue Posted 10-Feb-2006

2.Belgium also use IFV to replace MBT.

In DID's July 2005 article covering Belgium's impending defense purchases,we noted that country's Armoured Infantry Vehicle (AIV) program to replace its 132 Leopard 1A5BE main battle tanks, as well as its AIFV and M113 armored personnel carriers, with wheeled APCs.

3.Everything can go disappear!!
[b]On February 3, 2006, it was reported that 15 of Belgium's Pandur armored personnel carriers were stolen, together with radio equipment and field kitchens. The equipment was meant for a Beninese battalion that is part of the UN force in the Congo.

saline SG

last heard when i was still serving was that the terrex will go to the infantry...
about time the infantry gets to "ride" into the battlefield instead of walking....
lol

Alvin.Yeoh SG

Isn’t it a little silly to replace MBTs with IFVs?

ditzy SG

I'm pretty sure they thought of all that before they actually built it. Laughing

tvdog SG

Stealth? They're quieter than tanks for sure especially on metal roads but the engine is pretty dam loud - nothing stealthy about it I can assure you.

ditzy SG

I think he meant quieter for the people being ferried around by it. Laughing

tankee1981 SG

Those who have heard of the metal-tracked A-vehicles in the training areas should know about this. Metal-tracks will generate this 'cling..cling', screeching noise when turning and scratching into road surface when on the move. Bronco with rubber tracks are very much quieter. This is especially true when the metal tracks are older which are generally a bit rusted. The noise made by the tracks scratching the road can be minimised by having rubber pads on the tracks but they will wear off in time to come.

I am thinking maybe we can have a hybrid engine where the Terrex can run on electricity during assault in urban terrain such as during dawn attack. This way noise will be lowered to the minimum. Something like in diesel electric submarines. Very Happy

ditzy SG

There was this tank designed to run off the power of lithium battaries for stealth mode, to power a huge tank, the batteries needed to be errrrm huge, so errrrm, you can see where the rest of it is going. Laughing

touchstone_2000 SG

The thread was rambling a bit. Not too sure if SAF or Turkey is buuying the Terrex.

If it is the SAF, I see it more as a translation of lessons learnt from experiences that a certain country had in Somalia.

tvdog SG

Details lah...

four-niner SG

A hybrid electrical engine? What a brilliant idea!! It would show to the world that SAF is indeed living up to it's vision of becoming a 3G army ..... but er where you going to find a 3 pin power socket point source to "recharge" your vehicle in the middle of jungle terrain in SEA?

Mr. Green

tankee1981 SG

Allow me to explain. Diesel electric submarines don't run on electricity all the time and when the batteries ran out the diesel engines will kick in to recharge these batteries when surfaced. These submarines will run on electric power only when underwater where there is no air for the diesel engines. When travelling with electric power, its much more quiet thus minimising detection by passive sonar. In the case of vehicles since supply of air is not an issue the batteries can be charged whenever the diesel engine is running, much like your normal car batteries but with much more stored power.

What i am proposing is that the vehicle can switch to electric power when carrying out the initial phase of a surprise attack to minimise noise but will switch back to diesel power when the element of surprise is lost and when greater speed and power is required during fighting.

The technology for hybrid engine cars is matured and these cars are already out in the market so the prospect of having hybrid engine armoured vehicles may not be that remote a possibility. Very Happy

baer SG

imagine the size of the batteries as well as the problems like recharging etc in combat environment.

Saw the monster leaving CS facility previous week.

Maybe a good thing to have somthing other than Ultra or Bionix, mix and match. Maybe one system too many?

This would basically be a battle taxi not to replace the IFV or MBT. Any funny ideas about different propolusion systems are obviously ppl not been into the field for more then 3 days. Technology not advanced enough to replace the diesel engines, even petrol engines have a hard time in our terrain.

tankee1981 SG

Originally posted by baer

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Yes, i have been out in the field for more than 3 days.

Don't get me wrong i am not advocating the idea of replacing diesel engines outright. Hybrid engine technology also have the diesel component in it without which the system can't function at all. Recharging of batteries in combat is also not a problem because the batteries will be recharged simultaneously when the diesel engine is running. Diesel engine will be used most of the time, electric power will only kick in when stealth is needed such as when advancing slowly up to the enemy in urban terrain during a surprise dawn attack. At this initial stage,speed and power is not that crucial.

However, i do agree with you that the size of batteries required to move such a big vehicle may be too big to render such an idea feasible. The hybrid engine technology to move an armoured vehicle is simply not matured at the moment, more research and development is thus required. Very Happy

ps I think we shouldn't dwell too much into this after all this is just a personal proposal by me and not directly related to the topic per se

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