Do singapore need fighter planes like Harrier?

alwaysdisturbed SG

i bliff speed too....

duotiga83 SG

the WOW factor is Viffing

alwaysdisturbed SG

wats dat?

duotiga83 SG

VIFFing stands for Vector In Forward Flight. It is a technique whereby pilots of VTOLaircraft, most notably the Harrier Jumpjet, vector their thrust nozzles vertically resulting in rapid deceleration. This enables them to do some incredibly tight meneuvering in a dogfight situation. However there are no recorded incedents of a Harrier pilot actually VIFFing in combat.

alwaysdisturbed SG

so dats called VIFFing...
i tink the reaction time is too long?

dis tech is incorporated in the jsf rite? cuttin dwn the heat signature...if i'm nt wrong...

duotiga83 SG

since when nw dogfighting? Laughing all play long range ...1st hit 1st kill Mr. Green

alwaysdisturbed SG

long range?

get tomcats la...wif their aim 54 phoenix...

grandeur SG

Singapore might be using F35 in future.

beavan SG

i doubt the RSAF will get a VTOL plane. firstly they just blew alot of their budget on the new F-15SG. 2ndly, they have no expertise in this kind of planes. need to train alot of people to handle them before they can even think of doing it.

grandeur SG

Using VTOL plane can land and take off without a runway. This is vital during critical time when runway is heavily damage or being destroyed. With VTOL plane it can even land on RSN frigates for refuel, rearm, repair or for further support role. With this it need not necessary need to take off from aircraft carrier and can support the air at sea with the requirement of air superiority.

Shotgun SG

I personally do not think that having a VTOL aircraft is vital.

Honestly speaking, if one runway is busted. The base would be pretty much gone too. The runway would be th least of the concern since it can be somewhat easily repaired by just dumping concrete into it, and leveling it.

Its Base infrastructures that would be hard to replace.

2ndly, if one runways is temporarily out of commission, can always divert to alternate. If all our runways are destroyed, we are screwed anyway, cos that would me a lot of infrastructure damage to bases won't it? So what if you have VTOL aircraft but have no capability to support operations?

spartan6 SG

Why use frigate might as well use harmless looking cvililian ships can hide e aircraft below deck it also overcome e problem of lack of range if u operating near or in enemy space

T.Ryousuke SG

[quote]Originally posted by grandeur:

[b]Singapore might be using F35 in future.

They can start buidling facilities for such plane and wait for US to sell it to Singapore as a second hand plane.

grandeur SG

Originally posted by T.Ryousuke:
[quote]Originally posted by grandeur:
[b]

[b]Singapore might be using F35 in future.

They can start buidling facilities for such plane and wait for US to sell it to Singapore as a second hand plane.[/b]

second hand?

tankee1981 SG

Bro,the F-35 is not even operational yet! By the time they are sold to us 2nd hand it could be as long as 20 years down the road maybe even more! Very Happy

moca SG

Actually, it is Vertical/Short Take-Off Landing.

V/STOL in acronymn.

So it is true what someone mention that when fully loaded the Harrier need a ramp to jump off. Otherrwise, wit a lighter combat load, the Harrier is more than capable of lifting off vertically.

What many people often forget about the Harrier is that it was a British-designed plane and the US only adopted it years after the Brits had been using it. Initially, the Americans had no need for such an aircraft as they had all these huge carriers with long flight decks. The Russians had also been using a V/STOL on their small Minsk carriers for a long time.

moca SG

Russian V/STOL Yak-38 "Forger". Unsuccessful.

Its successor is the Yak-141, which is V/STOL AND supersonic. As I understand, the Harrier is not supersonic.

grandeur SG

Possibilities of RSAF buying Russian made fighter planes which is very slim. The designs and the reliabilities seem inferior to those made in US. Not to forget most fighter plane arms in Singapore are for US fighters plane type which make more likely that RSAF will continue to purchase it planes from US.

T.Ryousuke SG

I Dun think US will sell it to any country for the next 10-20 yrs. I read before somewhere they going to start using it this year or next. I Dun think Singapore will buy a new one which costs US$XXM and is not proven yet. Also they need years to train their men too.

tankee1981 SG

Actually the VSTOL technology of the Russians are superior to that of the US. So much so that even designers for the VSTOL F-35B consulted the engineers working on the Yak-141. Reason being that the Soviets come out with their own version of the VSTOL aircraft, the Yak-38 Forger but the US got their Harriers from the British. They also have been working on the supersonic VSTOL Yak-141 while the rest of the west are still using the subsonic Harriers. The Yak-141 is only prevented from turning operational due to funding. Therefore it will be an unfair assumpstion that all Russian weapon systems are inferior to their western counterparts.

After the show in Farnborough, Yakovlev design bureau worked together with Lockheed on Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme. As a result, Lockheeds final JSF proposal resembles... the Yak-141M

http://www.bearcraft-online.com/museum/museum.htm?mid=89

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