120 Sq UH-1H Replacement

teddy123 SG

should be CH-47 Chinook

Same number of flight crew but big increase in payload capability.One way to do more with less people.

Meaning more heavylift(CH-47) than mediumlift(SP) transport heli in our Orbat.
2 types of transport heli(CH-47, SP) rather than 3 types(CH-47,SP,Blackhawk?).

Replace SuperPuma with Blackhawk when their time is up so as to achieve commonality with Navy Seahawks.

Good idea ?

Mr. Green

Look at the amount of sterling work they did during the Tsunami and Katrina crisis.
Why not convert 120 Sq into a heavylift outfit ?
Cool Cool

four-niner SG

chinook for heavy lift lah but so far there are many operations that dun always require heavy lift so burning the fuel on a chinook to do light duty dunno cost effective or not.

But I read somewhere old uh-1h can convert into light gunship so still got some pratical value there

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But can the old airframes sustain usage anymore?

teddy123 SG

chinook for heavy lift lah but so far there are many operations that dun always require heavy lift so burning the fuel on a chinook to do light duty dunno cost effective or not.

Light duty can be perform by Superpuma.

With the introduction of heli-borne artillery pieces such as LWSH & SRAM on Spider. You need more heavylift heli to transport not only the guns, but also to resupply them with those heavy 155 & 120mm shell.

What I am advocating is instead of having more light/medium heli & less heavylift heli like everbody else. We have a 50/50 ratio.

We will be able to do more with less.

kopiosatu SG

120 sqn is the apache

there's no need for replacement for helicopters at the time being because the pumas are almost full strength.

kopiosatu SG

brudder. do you even know what you're talking about?

martin_lim85 SG

wtf u talking. can dont give us so many work load anot!!! NDP coming leh. small small things let SP do

kopiosatu SG

yeah, small small things. like not blowing people's houses away with downwash and causing more damage?

martin_lim85 SG

yalor yalor Mr. Green wait need to pay money ar Laughing

teddy123 SG

quote:Originally posted by teddy123:

Light duty can be perform by Superpuma.

With the introduction of heli-borne artillery pieces such as LWSH & SRAM on Spider. You need more heavylift heli to transport not only the guns, but also to resupply them with those heavy 155 & 120mm shell.

What I am advocating is instead of having more light/medium heli & less heavylift heli like everbody else. We have a 50/50 ratio.

We will be able to do more with less.

brudder. do you even know what you're talking about?

Care to elaborate more ?
Meaning which part you feel I dont know what I am talking about.

teddy123 SG

wtf u talking. can dont give us so many work load anot!!! NDP coming leh. small small things let SP do

originally posted by kopiosatu
]there's no need for replacement for helicopters at the time being because the pumas are almost full strength.

If what kopiosatu said is true, with the retirement of Huey, all the 'small small things" SP have to take over.
Laughing

duotiga83 SG

i smell blackhawk...... Confused

spartan6 SG

There is still a need for small copter maybe UH-60 like madiavc a Puma can do tat also but u dun need a puma 2 airlift 1 man , fuel cost $ bigger copter= bigger enigne=burn more fuel n bigger downwash .Imagine a CH-47D/SD e man will be kill by it downwash as branch all start flying around like missile Crying or Very sad

four-niner SG

see,

puma is good but I think quite costly somemore I heard ah last time we got our UH for almost free or peeka lao sai maybe refurbished condition like aid package or something. And until unless we can get chinook or puma deal at firesale prices I dun think can expect replacement for UH soon lor.

See, outside selling 2nd hand UH-1H for almost 3million dollars, then the better puma will cost us hw much to replace for all? if need few hundred million then buy helicopter carrier better lar Twisted Evil at least can still use UH for seaborne operation mah then F16 can land and CBG .... Embarassed

Anyway even if they are thinking to replace the UH I believe they will get the license to assemble for EC-130 or EC-135 lar, just like what they did for the EC-120.

Agreed!! Mr. Green

kopiosatu SG

we are already taking over.

and what i said is true.

kopiosatu SG

simple. SP has higher role ability than a chinook. there are many things people fail to see in the SP.

kopiosatu SG

no need to think so much

currently SP will take over all the sai kang roles, to make it sound nicer... the backbone of the helicopter force.

kopiosatu SG

50/50. then maintenance, flying hours, servicing? to meet flying hours they have to fly, in the end they still burn more fuel and doesn't save cost at all.

looking at logistics, it will not save cost, it will incur more spending to maintain the extra aircrafts.

kopiosatu SG

i'm about to slam the chinook community, but nevermind la.

teddy123 SG

These are our current transport helicopter inventory:
16 CH-47SD Chinook
34 AS332M/AS532UL Super Puma/Cougar

120 Sq has converted into a attack Heli Sq.
and I heard that RSAF is looking to procure additional Chinook CH-47F

So our future transport helicopter make up should be around:
34 medium lift helicopter
(20-30) heavy lift helicopter

I see...

Pretty close to my prediction

Mr. Green