Traitor in SAF

last SG · 2006-02-09T01:49:50+00:00

not them. im talking about people who meticuously plan their murders and are never caught. Jack the Ripper for instance.

Icemoon SG

if you're talking about white horses .. most likely they will not be field officers? 'cos the original discussion was about subordinates killing their commanders.

[email protected] SG

hey its the official secret acts, so what? national laws can always be misused for personal affairs. So even if its the official secrets act, it doesn't have to be something that compromises the nation, just something that compromises 2 someones and the people who covered up for them. And those someones and their protectors can f*cking rot in hell. I think they forgot the oaths they took to uphold justice and bring honour to the nation.

[email protected] SG

maybe u haven't realised that quite a lot of non-white horses who come out of officer sch in singapore are quite... useless as well. good officers here are damn rare.

Icemoon SG

that's the point!

most officers, by your definiton, will be considered incompetent. So do we kill them all?

[email protected] SG

or do we let them lead their men into ambushes and slaughters and lose the war? i thought u were quite happy to protect murderers if it helps the nation?

hey in a war if their men decide to kill them, too bad. who ask them to be incompetent.

hisoka SG

Laughing are you sure you are singaporean??

anyway i say kill the incompetent ones. average ones still ok. it might seem to be alot but if you compare to the men that will die if we allow them to lead...........

of course the best is to just relieve them of their command but isit possibe????

babymac13 SG

What if the ememy points a gun on your loved ones, forcing you to surrender and submit yourself to them?

Will you bear to see them died in your eyes?

Shotgun SG

that scenario is rather unlikely lar... machiam like war movie like that.

Maybe i might assume a super hero identity as the punisher to seek vengeance, or just wear pointy ear masks and black underwear on the outside, become batman.

Icemoon SG

Then you surrender lor!

Afte that desert them. Laughing

Icemoon SG

If anyone can suka suka shoot their own OC, then trust me no officer or senior enlisted will dare to take over.

Why? 'cos they might be the next one to get shot! Laughing

idwar SG

The last time the SAF got into a fire fight was in 1964/65 when 2SIR got ambushed by Indonesian paras at Johor.

They were swimming in the river when the paras came. Sentry was kooning.
Quite a number came back to Holland Road camp in body bags............

Don't even need incompetent officers to do the job........

Icemoon SG

There is no way to predict where the enemy will ambush you. What you have are info from the battalion scouts and signs that your company reccee team bash through an area safely.

OC might holland, but usually they follow the trails left by the CRT.

If you think the CSM is a better navigator .. then better the CSM assist him than killing him and letting CSM take over.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

We're talking about traitors here so what has incompetent officers gotta do with it? And who are you to judge incompetence? By saying that, you're implying that you would make a very competent officer. Rolling Eyes

SMAPLionHeart SG

Traitors can be good , but only in certain context.

I admire the person who betrayed chiang kai shek and made him work with communists to fight japanese.

SMAPLionHeart SG

Those indonesian paras got caught later ?
Then they got executed in singapore.....

[email protected] SG

ya but in a war if they want to shoot them, whos to stop them? Laughing

[email protected] SG

well either way, if they want to shoot the officer, who stop them? u ah? Laughing
go ahead lor

[email protected] SG

this is very true. in what sense a traitor? u can't really call the guy a traitor because he had the interest of his country 1st.

and what about yue fei? he disobeyed his emperor. does that make him a traitor? in the emperor's eyes, yue fei was certainly one.

its easy to call people traitors, but it all depends on perspective. Of course if someone was just turning against their own nation out of greed or cowardice, its clear cut, but when one turns "traitor" for idealogical reasons?

iveco SG

No doubt Zhang Xueliang had a passion for kicking Japanese butt and felt the only way to defeat them was to put up a united front, but he was later placed under house arrest in Taiwan and later exiled to USA, if I am not mistaken. This fellow lived to a ripe old age but was plagued by ill health.

Yue Fei was a real patriot indeed. He felt that the emperor's oeders to pull back made no sense as the Jurchens were still rampant. In actual fact, there was a spy (Qin Gui) at the royal court who told the emperor to issue such an order. In this case, Qin was the real traitor, not General Yue.

Icemoon SG

if you're so afraid of kenna ambush and such, it means you're afraid of death. Frankly speaking, who is not?

if so .. you wont shoot your own people 'cos you are going against all of them. Will you rather face gunfire alone or with your buddies?

of course .. if the whole section or platoon supports you, it'll be a mutiny.

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