John Ching SG Usually in reality, the actions are always auto-reflex. None of that OODA thingy you mentioned. You've got to take into account the hours spent by an operator, or SWAT officer, trainning in a kill house. SWAT guys trainning usually involves holding off the kill unless the threat is significant. This is very mentally tough trainning as compared to a military operator whose objective is to remove the tango/charlie/indian/etc without prejudice.
John Ching SG It seems that the Israeli officer emptied his mag after the little girl was already shot down earlier. Ah! You're right about different circumstances requiring different handling techniques but you also mentioned SAS, which is a military outfit. Meaning that military operators don't follow civilian law in handling situations. Did you read about the assassination attempt on the Afghanistan President sometime back? His BGs then were operators from NEVGrp, the assassin was acutally subdued by 2 members of surrounding afghan. The NEVGrp operator killed all, assassin & heroic afghans. There was a hooha back in the States over the killing of the 2 heroic Afghan but because of the situation at that time & the fact that the shooter was a SEAL not a SWAT operator. It didn't amount to anything more then a hooha!
Johnston SG Observe - person with gun pointing at me Orientate - swivel to point at him Decide - should i shoot him in the knee? groin? hand? Action - Shoot? No Shoot? How many seconds do you have?
sidestep1984 SG a hostage can differentiate bad guys and good guys in half a second... a policeman must be able to do that even faster....instinct comes into play..
Johnston SG Hostage thoughts: bad guys: those that have kept me here and are pointing guns at me. good guys: those that are calling "Everybody in there come out, we have you surrronded!" Hmm. That's real sharp thinking. It is precisely because police must react fast that airsoft is banned. If a toy gun painted black can get a officer to shoot, how about a airsoft? You couldn't tell the difference until you disassembled it.
NathanG5 SG are u trying to say that the officer is innocent? the IDF officer shot the little ger..walk over to her n take a few shot again....walk away n come back n empty his mag on her... go read the paper.... farking bastard ccb...
John Ching SG Hmm! Hostages reaction can be quite strange during a hostage situation. For the 1st few hours they might be afraid for the hostage-taker( HT ) but it the HT shows compassion towards the hostages, the hostages would end up defending or proctecting the HT. The 1st time this kind of situation happend was during the Iranian embassy crisis in 1979. When SAS stormed the building & eliminate all the threat, they came across 1 threat that was protected by the hostages. Theres actually a medical name for hostages associating with their HT but I just can't seem to recall the name. Thats why its never a good plan to prolong a hostage situation but human rights ensures that the rights of the HT must also be recognised.
John Ching SG Revolvers do not jam is a true fact. But its also a fact that revolvers are not accurate. Unlike an auto or semi-auto pistol, the barrel of a revolver cannot be replaced if damaged or tilted. Like a rifle, prolong usage of any hand gun would require greater care especially in the case of the revolver. This is because the barrel of a revolver is attached to the rest of the weapon & therefore cannot be changed if its damaged. A slight bang of a revolver against a hard surface is lightly to damaged the alinement of the weapon & therefore making it dangerous to use in a HR situation. Depending on the number of times the revolver has been used, the barrel can be disfigure overtime. Meanning, every time the revolver is fired the barrel is heated & expands, it does not immediately cools back to its normal stage nor does it will. So if you used the revolver more then 50 times or fired more then 100 rounds in a single fire fight, chances of the barrel lossing its alinement is very high. For a pistol, the gas that causes the recoil of the weapon also acts as a coolant for the barrel but this does not mean that the barrel won't difigure, just that it'll be later. The plus side of a pistol is that if te barrel is damged, it can just be replaced with a new barrel instead of retiring the whole gun like a revolver.
chunyong SG if the frontsight is misaligned just use a mallet hammer it back into place loh...then if the barrel is bent due to the hammering then just hammer until the barrel is straight again. the grooves inside the barrel will be damaged too but as long as the bullet can fly out without hurting your hand then can liao
John Ching SG Hahaha..! I hope you're not a cop or for that matter a SWAT officer. If everything could be solve with a hammer, you ought to be able to save hostages with a hammer too.
storywolf SG Frankly, in a firefight, you only can get the most 5 rounds off before everyone is either dear or take covers behind something things ! It is actually the shooting that counts.
John Ching SG May be with a revolver you can only get off 5 shots. I've heard of a sheriff in states who emptied 15 shots from his pistol at close range & not 1 round hit his target. In fact, the whole incident was shown on Worlds Scariest Police momments. There was also an anti-terror case in UK where 2 SAS troopers emptied a total of 30 rounds into an IRA at close range, the guy refused to die so another SAS soldier with an MP-5 finished the job. During the latter hearing, the SAS troopers said that they taught that the IRA guy was going to trigger his bomb so they had to make sure he die.
chunyong SG stockholm syndrome is feeling sympathy for enemy and therefore hesitate b4 shooting, apply more for people who is armed rather than hostages.
John Ching SG Ah! You're wrong. Stockholm syndrome occurs when a hostage spends too much time with the hostage takers & develope sympathy for the taker & their casue. It does not affect the anti-terror operators or cops for the matter. # In 1973, four Swedes held in a bank vault for six days during a robbery became attached to their captors, a phenomenon dubbed the Stockholm Syndrome. According to psychologists, the abused bond to their abusers as a means to endure violence. - Timeline50 # Psychological Responses to Terrorism by Rev. Fr. Charles T. Brusca
chunyong SG oh ? but i think it applies to all, simply means u show sympathy to the enemy after prolonged duration. most easily affected will be snipers since they can see much further.
John Ching SG I'ven't heard of a sniper affected by the syndrome yet granted that it does not mean it won't. Sniper are able to see their targets eyes clearer just before they pull the trigger but they don't actually know their target. It'll probably affect a sniper if he allows himself to wonder about the personality of his target. That is why some snipers won't go for the head shot, chosing to go for body shots to avoid looking into the eyes of the target. But I know for certain that the current U.S snipers in Iraq has no problem with going for the head shots.
