The Glock Quiz

crosshair II SG

oic... i have given up the g17 and start using
the hk sub-compact about 2 years ago.

Johnston SG

Originally posted by John Ching:
Heres a question about Glocks, how many [b]gun users would use glock in a fire match? [/b]

Good question.
Here's a good answer.
At last count, multiple police departments in the US of A issue Glocks.
Among which, California, New York, Alaska, and a couple more.
Higher north, Canadian police departments also issue it.

Additionally, Glock is very popular among aficionados of IDPA, because every last Glock shoots great out of the box, and is just right for IDPA's SSP matches.

In the region, Malaysia issues Glocks.
Singapore itself also uses Glocks for certain police officers, among which, the STAR team.

Are the above examples more than sufficient?
If not, the original Glock was produced in response to an Austrian Army/Police demand for a reliable pistol.

John Ching SG

Its true, almost all U.S law enforcement agencies are using Glock. Smile
But not many of them would live by it. Smile
Thats why they still carry a snub-nose .38 special or any other preferred weapon as back up. Shocked
USP compact is a good hand gun but the replacement parts are expensive like most European weapons. Confused
U.S Navy SEALs also used the varity of USPs but have preferred to hold on to their SIGs P226 & above. I'm not sure why? Haven't had the chance to ask em. Rolling Eyes
The Green Berets prefer the trusted Beretta 92 series. Smile
U.S Sheriffs are carrying revolvers. Smile
Browning is also a popular gun among U.S law enforcers but the spare parts are hard to get this days. Sad

But my question is which gun would you prefer to use in a fire fight? Mr. Green

John Ching SG

BTW. U.S SWAT officers wouldn't use Glock. Mr. Green
Its not the gun that decide how good a shot is but rather the shooter who can shoot. Shocked

Johnston SG

No, really.
The Beretta that famously almost put a SEAL out for the count?
The "slide incident".

I will like to know where you get your opinion of US Army personnel actually loving the M9.
And specifically, which SOCOM unit do you speak of? Green Berets?
1st Green Berets Bn?
Oh yes, they loved the Beretta 92 so much the first chance they could, they asked for a .45 firearm. Both SOCOM, and the USMC.

*chuckle*
Browning?
Hard to get? You speak of the High-Power, dont you?
Last i looked,Fabrique Nationale USA came out with a newer mark of the HP.
In 2002.

*snicker*
Yes, revolvers are so good, and hot, and nice and lovely to shoot, i don't know why there hasn't been a single article/study/paper anywhere recommending revolvers over pistols for self defense, or service usage.
*might be, i'd have to check again*

Again, you must remember all my statements are made with an American slant.
The land of the free (hold the ammo).
I can be bothered more about the other countries.

Johnston SG

Are you a real STAR, or for that matter, prior police service?
Yes,
When you speak of SWAT, do you speak of the NY department?
The one that was shown in the movie?
They selected 1911 pistols for a variety of reasons, which i shan't reproduce here.

Funny, i have right now in front of me an article specifically speaking about Glock and SWAT teams. A county in Pennsylvania issues it.

Hmm.
So if i give you a pen gun or a "credit card" gun, and i stand 25 meters away with a pistol, do you think i can shoot and kill you first?

*shakes head*

John Ching SG

If you are talking about SWAT the movie, they are repilcating LAPD SWAT not NYPD. Mr. Green

Hmm! Information from magazine is like news from CNN or BBC, never know if they are reporting the truth. SWAT means Special Weapons And Tactics, they are allowed to use any number of weapons at their disposal as long as their department can afford to buy. Rolling Eyes

Personally, I'm not saying Glock is girle gun, I'm just asking what gun you would prefer in a fire fight. Very Happy

Anyway, other might disagreed with me but personally, I prefer to use any .40 or .45 cal guns for close proximity shooting( law enforcement shootings ) & 9mm guns for slightly distance shooting( military shootings ). Cool

John Ching SG

Ooh! With regards to your question about the "card gun", its similar to a musket. It would mean that I've got to be blond to stand at 25m & wait for you to load your "gun" just to get myself killed. Embarassed

The pen gun, requires you to be able to aim at a kill point on a target inorder for the bullet to be able to kill, that is if it doesn't blow up in your hands. Confused

SpecOps87 SG

Glocks are essentially used due to their reliability.Though expensive,I would rather pay more and ensure that a weapon goes BANG each time I need it rather den pay for something which may and may not go BANG.In combat what wpuld I do in such a case?With a piece of metal which I’m supposed to shoot with,and yet can’t,suck my thumbs?Thus people go for guns which are reliabilty and have proven designs.

Johnston SG

Yes, so LAPD supplemented their issue firearms with personal stuff.
Perhaps you are suggesting that the magazine in question, and also the police department in question, specifically bought Glocks just to tell the bad guys, "These are the guns we use".

Like it or not, Glock is prominent in the US for police.
Even if the officer thinks differently, People HIGHER UP think otherwise.

In any case, if your department issues you a certain firearm, and a certain type of ammo, like it or not, you use it. You don't want to get stuck in a case where the lawyer says "He's a bloodthirsty officer who WANTED to kill the criminal, so he modiefied his ammo/weapon".

I still love this quote "Its not the gun that decide how good a shot is but rather the shooter who can shoot".

So...er... i have here a person armed with a IPSC race gun. You have a dinky muzzleloader.
Who's gonna win.

Lastly:
"Personally, I'm not saying Glock is girle gun, I'm just asking what gun you would prefer in a fire fight.".

But you ARE saying Glock is a girly gun. Which makes a whole lot of police departments/armed forces girlie forces for issuing a girly gun.

What gun do i prefer?
Something that works, everytime.
Something that is easy to operate.
Something rugged.
Something accurate.
In .40 S&W.

If i under

John Ching SG

I never disagreed that the Glock is being issued to U.S law enforcement agencies. Sad
However, it also depends on the department in question, if they can afford to buy new arms? Rolling Eyes
But given the option, how many would prefer to use glock?
Its just like I've read about the S'pore Arm Forces new weapon, SAR-21. Do you like it? Confused

Anyway, the Federal agencies can afford to buy new weapons as they get their money from the Federal government, the Treasury. Mad
The U.S government does not purchase the glocks for other law enforcement agencies like the way they do for the army. Instead, its up to the local or district level law enforcement agencies to request for the spending money from their mayor's office inorder to purchase the glock. Neutral

My friend in DEA/Maimi, FL, doesn't use a glock. Wink
He hasn't get into any problems with any defending lawyers. Laughing
And even if its a problem, the solution is that most law enforcers in America have their personal permit to carry personal arms & when use in a line of duty is usually not a problem. Smile

As for your question on the muzzle loader thing, its like comparing chicken rice from S'pore & Hong Kong. Both are the same thing except the difference is taste & its up to the consummer to decide which chicken rice he prefers. Mr. Green

Btw, have you fired a mussket? It can be as effective as a shot-gun. Of course, the different is that the shot-gun uses a shell ammo with a number of pellets, while a mussket uses a single pellet , etc. Rolling Eyes [/list][/quote]

Johnston SG

Originally posted by John Ching:
[b]I never disagreed that the Glock is being issued to U.S law enforcement agencies. Sad
However, it also depends on the department in question, if they can afford to buy new arms? Rolling Eyes
But given the option, how many would prefer to use glock?

My friend in DEA/Maimi, FL, doesn't use a glock. Wink
He hasn't get into any problems with any defending lawyers. Laughing
And even if its a problem, the solution is that most law enforcers in America have their personal permit to carry personal arms & when use in a line of duty is usually not a problem. Smile

[b]

Grr.
Draw, chamber, aim.

HAS YOUR FRIEND EVER SHOT ANYONE. Yes/No.
Has he been in a lawsuit where the lawyer was cunning and knew his way around a firearm?
So he hasn't. But there are many other officers who have been in such cases.

If the agency in question already has the new weapon, and they are telling the world about it, dont you think they'd have paid the cash already?

And as to how many would prefer to use Glock....
Enough?
Enough for them to turn a profit, and keep right on coming out with new innovations left, right , and center?
Enough to secure contracts to supply a good amount departments/forces?
And most importantly, enough that even Singapore uses them.

If nothing else, Heckler and Koch also make a good amount of firearms, and supplies a lot of units. Are you going to say that HK weapons are girley guns too?

Here's a dinky little picture of a NYPD officer. I wonder what's that in the holster.

Lastly, i cannot agree with this.
"when use in a line of duty is usually not a problem".
I can drag out, if you wish, details of just a few cases when police officers went through long and harrowing trials where the suspect was shot in "unclear" circumstances.

John Ching SG

1. My friend is a DEA agent, that speaks for itself. As to whether he has killed anyone in the line of duty, that is something no shooter would ever brag about. Confused
2. You've been watching too much lawyer shows. Sad
3. You don't get my point as to why some law enforcement agencies aren't using glock. Crying or Very sad
4. Just because these officers carry glocks on duty don't mean that they like/prefer the gun. Its just like the S'pore Arm Forces' new weapon, SAR-21, do you like it? Shocked
5. Are you sure S'pore cops are using glock? Question
6. Comparing H&K to glock?? Rolling Eyes
7. As for what weapon the cop in the picture is carrying, it looks like a Walther P99, Smith&Wesson Sigma Series, etc. You can't really tell what weapon he is carrying by the handle of the gun, could've been modified. Smile
8. He looks more like a member of the NY ESU then a SWAT officer. Shocked

John Ching SG

Upon looking at the picture more closely, the guy is indeed a NY ESU officer. Very Happy
They've have SWAT trainning but they are not SWAT officers. Mr. Green

Johnston SG

Disclaimer: Written under alcoholic influence.

YES i am VERY sure SG cops do use Glock. Specifically, Glock 19.
And on this point, im Foxtrot Charlie Uniform Kilo sure.
WHY? because i have personally seen it been carried on the belts of officers at a certain exposition, and it was also exihibited. It was advertised as being the sidearm of the STAR teams.
Do you need me to post the picture i took?

Why do certain law enforcement agencies don't use Glock? Sometimes it comes down to personal pefernece. Maybe they like Beretta. Maybe Browning. Kimber? Sig Sauer? Or maybe they like Korth. If your boss dictates you use this, you jolly well use it.

You are saying that Glock is a girly gun. Which, by implication, Austria is a Girly Country, as Glock. Inc came into being by suppling a pistol to the Austrian army. So if i carry your statement to the extreme, Germany is a girly state because they issue H&K weapons to their armed forces/LEOs?

The sidearm the officer is carrying, is a Glock. No two ways about. You can take me at my word, that i can identify more than 70% common weapons at a glance. Even if it is not, it is using a Glock-style lower reciever.

No, i have not been watching too much lawyer shows. I have spoken with a few Law students, and i can tell you that you do not want to debate with them. some of them literally can turn Black to White.

And as for your friend, ask him, if you would, if anyone in his agency has gone through a lawsuit by a lawyer who argued "Gentlemen of the jury, the officer in question took extra training, modiefied his weapon beyond service standards, handloaded his ammunition, all just because he wanted to shoot people".

Besides, being in any agency, no matter how august the name, does not in and of itself signify anything. Has your friend seen the elephant? There are officers who throughout their entire life do not use their sidearms in anger.

Lastly, even if YOU yourself do not like your Issue Weapon, the people UPSTAIRS like it. After all the examples i have exampled, so many agencies cant be wrong. More to the point, there are statements from police officers themselves that they love their Glocks. They all can't be wrong, can they.

Johnston SG

More to the point, i never did insinuate, allege, suggest, say that the picture was of a NYPD SWAT office.
you yourself made the connection.

I said "Here's a dinky little picture of a NYPD officer".

Where in the sentence did you see S_W_A_T. There aren't even all four letters there.

John Ching SG

Yes, I think you've to send me the pictures. Very Happy
The last I heard was that the S'pore police are using Taurus .38 revolvers. Shocked
I'm not sure where you're coming from, but if you can find the time to look up the crime stats in the U.S, you'll know that the percentage of fire-fight situations is quite significant. Confused
Glock was the brand of knives from Austria before their venture into making guns. They were much like the Swiss army knives. Honestly, I didn't said that the glock guns are girlie but since you've kept insisting that I did, I won't object to your view. Very Happy
I know for certain that 1 of the reason why Glock is popular for the law enforcement agencies in U.S is due to the fact that its a light weight weapon which even a girl can carry & use. Wink
I can see from your comments that you are a strong supporter for Glocks but have you ever used it? I've have personally used the glock 28 compact, its light even when loaded with 10 rds of .380. Theres almost no feel of the recoil kick back when firing, the sights are clear enough to see in a quick draw but it would be better to modify for night shooting. And again it so light that even a girl can carry & run with it. Mr. Green

Johnston SG

You really should read up more on the Open Source.
Why, long ago, before Glocks were exihibited at any police recruitment drive, the newspaper itself admitted STAR teams utilised the Glock.

Yes, i read extensively on the US situation, and could tell you more about the odd gun laws they have then you need to know.
Add to that i still have a very pretty lady in my home who tells me all i need to know about weaponry, and my piles of Firearm literature.
Not to forget my small stock of firearm manuals.

Here's a little question. They use Taurus .38 revolvers, but who manufactures the laser sights?

And just so you know, it's so light and handy even a kid can use it.

I am not a supporter of .50 AE pistols, if that is any clue.
So something light and handy needs to be noticed.

*scratches head*
Are you in anyway insinuating because Gaston Glock started off making knives, his line of handguns are to be scoffed at?

Just so you know, H&K started off making components for sewing machines.
Which is more humble?

Johnston SG

Disclaimer: still under heavy alcoholic influence.

So are you now saying that any gun light and compact enough for a female to fire comfortably is a Gh3y GuN?

Hmm, by saying so you make a whole lot of compact pistols very Gh3y.

You were the one who first suggested that Glock is a girle gun.
Im just running with your statement.

Perhaps the STAR team is composed solely of girls, and they are weak and puny, so they HAVE to use Glocks cause they cant handle a real MAN's weapon, like say.... a Desert Eagle?

SpecOps87 SG

Johnston is saying that the normal patrol man of the SPF uses the Taraus .38 and those in the Police Special Operations Command and Police Security Command use the Glock 19 series of handguns.

<>-PM me or post it here.Up to you.

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