The Glock Quiz

Johnston SG

Someone who understands English at last.

No, SAF emphatically do NOT use Glock.
It's not advertised anywhere, and i don't want to dig there.
I was somewhere once where i saw certain more interesting firearms on the armskote list, but damned if i will tell you what they are. Smile
Rather, they use the SIG Sauer P226 without rails.
If you want to know, they use Vektor and HK P7s.

There is nothing much to discuss about 17 vs 19.
The 17 is the full sized version, while the 19 is the compact version.
You get
less unmodified magazine capacity (17 + 1 vs 18 +1)
slightly lesser range
easier to conceal.

And that's about it.

Johnston SG

Dbl Tap
Have some pictures.

The laser sight seems to be PhotoShopped on.

Early mark of the Glock 18.

The lovely Glock 18C.

Glock 18C, seen from above.

BeEtHoVeN SG

eh i can vouch for Johnston about singapore's cops using Glock handguns ...
to be exact, the Stars team .... a few months ago, The Straits Times did several articles on the Singapore's special forces .... in one of the articles, they mentioned that Stars members are using Glock handguns ....

by the way, how u all define "girlie" ? just because the girls can carry it ??
stop being such a sexist, i had seen girls hu are definitely much more stronger than men .... in this case, the ability to carry heavy firearms ....

Evil or Very Mad

and by the way, the reason why people why wan something light is very simple ..... go ask your NS fellow frens hu had to carry the machine guns if they had a choice of providing the same firepower in a lighter package, would they choose the heavier version just because girls can carry the lighter package ?? Rolling Eyes

Johnston SG

*chuckle*
If that is how you define "Girlie", every last handphone in the world, except for Field Radios is Gh3y, and not something for a MAN to use.
Wait a minute, last i knew, Signals FMN had gals too. They can lug a sattelite radio around. it's Gh3y. We shan't use it.

And just so you know, compact Glocks are so easy to use kids can learn how to. From the age of 9?
So a gun that can be fired by a kid is "kiddy"?

Johnston SG

Im not a die hard Glocholic, but you are saying that the company cannot make any good items because they used to make knives.

Are you aware of Mr Glock's history?
After he left Steyr, he started his own company which sold small items such as plastic curtain rods. Wow. Curtain rods. Their so military.
In the 70's he secured contracts with the Austrian army to supply items such as ET tools, knives, and links for ammo.
Only after hearing about the Austrian Army's wish for a new service sidearm did he sit down to think about making a pistol

Go to this page, and read the ONE article.
http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/17/index.htm

Most important is this.
"the revolutionary Glock 17 pistol was withheld from the U.S. XM9 trials at the behest of its inventor, Gaston Glock, who would not accept U.S. government requirements to release the winning contender's production and patent rights to open bidding."

So if Mr Gaston had submitted his pistol for the XM9 trials, who is to say if the standard sidearm of the US Army now would be the Glock?

And since Glocks are inherently Girlie, the entire US Army is a bunch of Gh3y [email protected], is that it?

Should he have stayed making curtain rods?
Should Creative have stayed content with making soundcards?

BeEtHoVeN SG

eh dun tink u get my meaning do u ? Rolling Eyes
what am i trying to sae is that guns or not, just because it is lighter does not means that is is "girlie" ....

chunyong SG

STAR also have Jeris and have much more arsenal at their disposal.

John Ching SG

Cool man! Whats with all the fustration over the preferrence of a gun? Question
Its probably better if you've the chance to shoot the damn thing then read it. Rolling Eyes
Of course, in S'pore you've to be either in the police or army to shoot a gun. Btw, Johnston, you said that the S'pore police used glock but you didn't specify which department. So your STAR uses it but do they like it? Shocked

There isn't really that many laws with regards to gun in the U.S, only regulations. But like you said, a good lawyer will ensure you stay out of jail. Mr. Green

As for whether your STAR are girlie or not, its not my problem either. But why do you chose to insult them? Question Confused

Seriously, this starting to look like a girlie communcation debate. So I'm not going to continue further on the matter. Embarassed

crosshair II SG

police, army and even prison use the glock and won in the shooting
competition in the porduction class with some nearby countries.

John Ching SG

Well, thats good to know about your shooters, congrates to them. Very Happy
I too have scored quite well with glock though I personally don't like the gun, especially after all the exchange communication with Johnston. Sad
So far there hasn't been much complain about it but I personally don't like the design for the mag release. It can be quite a hassle in a stressful situation & if you're wearing gloves. Other then that, theres the weight factor. Shocked

I m not referring it to any girlie comment between me & johnston, but seriously, the weapon is so light that I sometimes forget that I'm carrying it which can be quite a problem, though it hasn't occur yet. Thats why I try to carry a slightly heavier gun. It may be incovenience but at least I know its there. Mr. Green

The Walther P99 is not a very popular gun even though its been around for a few years already but I like it. However, its not a gun for concealment especially if you've a small body frame like mine. Its noticeable even with wearing a coverall. Neutral

With all thats said & done, a hand gun is much better as a secondary weapon. Preferrable to carrry an assault rifle as primary weapon is always better. My view is that if you've got to use your secondary weapon after your primary, then you're definately in a deep shit situation. Twisted Evil

Johnston SG

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You quite explicitly said that "NOt saying that Glock is a girlie Gun".
While you do not say that it is, you are insinuating that it is.

You are welcome to carry around a .50 Desert Eagle, or maybe a large revolver.
By large, let's start off with .44 Magnums, and maybe even go to .454 and .480s.

Light gun = more weight to carry ammo, shouldn't that be right?

John Ching SG

Er! Johnston, aren't you being sensitive over a gun? Rolling Eyes
Anyway, seriously, would you carry a cannon for a whole day or more? Question
Desert Eagle is fun to play with but definately not for work unless you know inadvance that you're going to have to stop a car or a truck. Twisted Evil

As I've said before, i prefer to carry a Walther P99 but I can't. So I'm usually carrying either a .40 Beretta Cougar 8045 mini with the trigger modified, a Beretta 92FS chamber for 9mil or an old Browning .45 M1911A1. There are others but these are the usual preferred choices. Smile
Of course, theres also the glock 28 compact .40 cal which I would use only as backup if need be. Neutral

palmerised SG

the glock chambered to .45acp was quite unstable for me. shot it a couple of months back and i didn’t really like it, but i do like the stopping power of the .45.

John Ching SG

Hey! A shooter of my kind. Very Happy
.45 does have enough power to get any job done( with regards to fire fights ) but unfortunately bigger round means less ammo per mag. Confused
There's still an ongoing debate in the States between 9mm & .45mm calibre as to which is better in a fire fight. As I had stated earlier, I prefer to use a .40 or .45 in a close proximity shooting while a 9mm for distance shooting. Reason being that 9mm allows a shooter to have more ammo per mag which is important in a situation where there are more then 2 bad guys. In this instance more power must give way to more ammo. Twisted Evil

chunyong SG

get 5.7 handguns, u can get the most shots out of it than other handguns of the same size

John Ching SG

5.7mm handguns! Well, I'm not expecting to be going to Iraq any time soon or at all. So, I don't think I would invest on it. A buddy of mine from the arms industry said that its still not a very popular gun yet as the calibre is still not legally approved for use by NATO military or law enforcement agencies either. Smile

palmerised SG

uhh okay.? are you in the army already? anyway if i am not wrong, in the states they have this thing about gun bans, stating that citizens aren't allowed to own certain mags with certain rounds capacity. eh, why am i even mentioning this at all. MIL and L.E. personnel should be able to have access to pre-ban mags so that shouldn't be a problem. anyway, if you're on an op, how can you change calibers without changing the barrel and the receiver. now, surely there has to be a caliber that you'd use for the general op. it's all down to personal preference actually. well, if you'd like more ammo but with a degree of stopping power then just use the 9mm jhp? any comments on .357 cal?

off-topic: any naval divers here? you guys use sigs yes?

back to topic: anyway, sb uses glocks, don't they?

John Ching SG

Regardless of whatever brand of gun, firing a .357 calibre handgun really kicks 1 in the ass especially if you try the comboy's or Hollywood's way of shooting( dumb! ). Very Happy

If you've never used protection for your ears in open space shooting, its advisable that you do so when firing a .357. Its damn loud thats why its not good for serious work. No point in going deaf on the job when you need good coms with your team mates. Confused Other then that, its good fun to shoot water melons with a .357. Laughing

palmerised SG

blah i am talking about real world ops lah dey... onwards with .45s! Mr. Green

anyways, if you fire indoors, use peltor's comtacs or sordins... they are quite good cause they eliminate the sound but still enables you to talk regularly..

but not only .357s can make you go deaf. there was one time during a call-out, a team was moving down a hallway and they came underfire. they engaged the threat after ID-ing it, which lasted for about 14 seconds. team leader went deaf for a couple of days and another permanently lost 30% of his hearing in one ear..

well, if you dont want to spend much then just use those squeezy ear plugs with your comms set overhead. that's what i do..

John Ching SG

Are you referring to peltor comtacs H6?
Its good but you can't be wearing it for every ops can you? Especially if you're going for covert. Confused
Alternatively, though not really silent, its better to use a silencer attachment system for reduce noise. Other then reducing the gun shot report, if there are any civilian around, they won't be shocked. They might even mistake the situation as a hollywood filming. Mr. Green

Using those damn ear-plugs is good, only if you're not in an ambush situation. Cause I don't think you'll have time to stick them in your ears.

Anyway, heres an adviced given to me by a doctor, he said that as human being gets older, our hearing abilities will get worst. Especially if we are exposed to loud noises offen. So its best to use everything you can get hold of to reduce the noise from the gun, your mates' weapon included. Neutral
My friend had his hearing damaged while in Afghanistan, the airforce CCTs call in a drop to close to where my friend & his team were. Confused

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