Originally posted by esesce:
My question regarding this, is how do you know the person isn't
allergic to bee stings? Did you know that someone who's allergic to
bee stings can die bloody quickly after getting even ONE sting?
Some more this is a wasp not bee. So does the SAF know which
soldiers are allergic to bee sting? I doubt it.
So how? Wait till you have the person die then come & apologise
to the parents? Farked up man!!
Most people are aware of some of their allergies, but they would
not know those that they had not been exposed. So how? Does it mean
that when a soldier has a small red swelling, then they must be
evacuated? What if it is a mosquito bite, or something innocuous?
Then SAF would not be viable because training and operations would
be impossible.
Keep a database of each soldier and his allergies? Medical test can
be conducted to determine some allergies, but what about those that
cannot be detected? And what about the cost?
Originally posted by esesce:
This reminds me of an incident several years back. My friend
(suffers from asthma) was doing his BMT. The whole platoon was
running when he felt an asthma attack coming on. So he slowed down
a bit. Needless to say he was farked for slowing down. He explained
to his PC that he had trouble breathing but the PC didn't care
& asked him to continue. Soon after that, he collapsed to the
ground gasping for air. Only then did the PC's balls drop &
asked that he be evacuated to medical centre.
Unfortunately, they are many shirkers in the army and an officer
or NCO would be sceptical. I would not be confident to say if the
officer is at fault without further information. For example, was
your friend's condition made known to the officer at the start of
the training course with proper medical certification?
Originally posted by esesce:
Yes, there are ppl who chao keng, but the problem is non medically
trained ppl can't tell them apart from genuine cases. So what I
will suggest (which the SAF will obviously NOT bother to even
consider) is that if the soldier claims he's having some problem,
send him to medical centre straight away.
Don't waste time by trying to figure out if he's keng or not. Let
the MO decide. If MO feels he's a kengster, you can charge him
later. But don't waste time 'cos it could be a genuine
case.
Unfortunately, MOs are general practitioners, and very green
ones at that (without a lot of practical experience). Even they
make mistakes. Imagine the logistics problems that arises when
every complaint are to be evacuated/sent to medical centre - how
many safety vehicles would be necessary to follow a platoon
exercise? What if a genuine emergency occurs when the safety
vehicle is not available because of a minor case?
Originally posted by esesce:
And to that, I should mention my CSM during my BMT recourse. Forgot
his name liao but anyway. During field camp I suddenly felt faint.
My buddy noticed & helped me to the medic. Our CSM was there
& instead of behaving like MOST commanders in the SAF &
farking me for chao keng, he gave me the benefit of the doubt &
told me to rest.
He asked the medic to check if I had heat stroke & even after
the medic gave me the all clear, our CSM still told me to rest for
a while & make sure I'm totally fine before joining the rest.
We need more of this kind of ppl around. Screw those b*stards who
think they are as smart as the MO & think they know how to
detect chao kengs from genuine cases.
Good for the CSM. However, don't be so hasty to put down "those
b*stards" - most of them are doing what they think best under
constraints of the training situation. Admittedly, there are
genuine b*stards - but not only in SAF; everywhere.
I am not disagreeing that things could have been or could
be better, but then what cannot?
Instead of just making criticisms at the heat of the moment, I
firmly think that one should think things through, try to see from
different perspectives (i.e. play the devil's advocate as well),
and then solutions may then come to mind. Ultimately, the most
important thing is to be constructive.
It IS stupid that coma case does not warrant a medivac 
