21st Rapid Deployment Division

tripwire SG

SAF answers to the defence minister... and the PRIME MINISTER in the AFC.

SAF do not answer to the parliament directly... and the parliament does not have control over SAF development, purchase or operational issue... or anything.

we aint the US where defence projects must get congressional and senate approval every year....

AND WE DONT ANSWER to our "FRIENDLY' neighbours.... but they may choose to react in whichever way they see fit on their side of the border.

Joshua1975 SG

An outfit in itself? Maybe but they are somehow under ATEC now.

Career no good? 'They' somehow feel this is one thing on the guys mind and I think they had made some changes and for sure the tour is not recognised but just take into consideration.

Guys in ADF and later move back to unit will find it hard to adapt the unit SOP somehow as they have get used to the 'moves' in ADF. I met a few during my course last year and some had just come back from oversea, and they keep saying behind the instructors back, where got like that one, sure die lar... Laughing talking about tactics and moves

But one thing for sure they are more recongnised for just been there. And one more thing is that they will be the one so call teaching the new technic to the BN in one way or another.

lion02 SG

than that would be an airborne armoured unit, not commando type unit.
both operate differently.

gary1910 SG

Yup, an airborne combined arms type quick strike operation when all three Bn operate together.

Thus airborne Bde, something like 82nd or 101st.

I-like-flings(m) SG

i think we are using the heli borne unit as airborne......still rapid deployment what...

Ritterkreuz SG

Is there a mistake with the strength of the division you have stated for the 25th? 100,000 for 25th Division.(with only 5 brigade)?

Anyway, anyone starting any discussion about the Combined Arm Division organisation in Singapore?

Joshua1975 SG

You from 25th DIV? If not why not you go back to post 1 read again?

Joshua1975 SG

Correct. We have 42nd SAR, ? SAR (equipped with AMX-10 vehicles) Divisional Artillery (SA units equipped with 105mm light howitzer) and today we have more which that all I can say and the above unit are not foot soldier. But still we can't ask the CDO to operate something which they have never done b4 and not to say to change the whole SOP they have being using.

We are a combine arm now, I am sure lion02 are in one of the DIV, may not be 21 or 25 but your coy will or may break up into PL level and att to the 3 Bde in the DIV and within the Bde will or may break up again into smaller group.

Agreed, that why chinook come in

Also correct. Guards was to be train in Airborne as well and not just Heli borne but due to some 'problem' it KIV.

Just to refresh 21st Rapid Deployment Division
(1 brigade is air mobile & 1 brigade is amphibious)
Div HQ
7th SIB (1st Guards, 2nd Guards, 3rd Guards)
13th SIB (three Guards battalions)
15th SIB (three Guards battalions)
42nd SAR, ? SAR
(equipped with AMX-10 vehicles)
Divisional Artillery
(SA units equipped with 105mm light howitzer)
21st Signal Bn
21st DISCOM (Transportation Bn + Supply & Maintenance Bn)
18th SADA (equipped with Mistral SAM)
Supported by Army Combat Engineers Group (bridging engineers), Air Force 120 Sqn, Navy 191 Sqn & 195 Sqn
Note: Guards (battalion size) = Elite infantry trained in heli-borne and amphibious warfare. 7th SIB is an active Guards brigade while 13th SIB and 15th SIB are NS man units.

John Ching SG

For those who claim that SAF/ Mindef do not answer to the Parliment, give yourself clap on the back. Its true, SAF/ Mindef doesn't have to but the defence budget is still presented to the house during CLOSE DOOR sections. Shocked

As for the answering to our "friendly" neighbours, when SAF purchsed the attack-helicopter with long bow gear, our "friendly" neighbours made a big hooha over the issue saying S'pore was being aggressive & even send a diplomatic letter to request an explaination from S'pore. Of course, it was settle with diplomatic respond that the attack-helicopters would not be station in S'pore during peace-time, pre-911.

So, its not that S'pore has to but rather it will. Confused

True, many things related to the army is not reveal to the public, so how many want to reveal it here? Be very careful, we are just gossiping here, so don't take my words to seriously. Whether or not I'm S'porean, doesn't matter does it? S'pore is multi-culture, multi-raced, etc. Cool

As for some1 mentioning that 21RDD is already active, personally I don't care, but in case you might be mistaken, could it be the ADF or the combine arms formation? Then again, best not to mention it. Very Happy

The truth maybe out there but its sure as hell not safe to talk about it. Unless any of you like an invitation to a tea party at that mystical "bird" place. Rolling Eyes

gary1910 SG

That is why I said that we do need to have another dimension in our RDD.

At this moment, we hv Amphi ,heli borne but no airborne.

As for armour asset (AMX-10s) are all marine variant, no air/heli borne variant.
( Maybe we do have but classified)

What if the our amphi armour asset cannot be used due to the nearest coastal area are heavily guarded or simply the area of operation is too far inland, far away from the coast thus making amphi landing not feasible ?

And I think we only have 12 Chinooks & currently maybe able to carry the older M113, but to have more we might need to airdrop them using C-130s and the operators of those armour asset might have to be airdrop too.

Thus , an airborne element is needed.

Joshua1975 SG

We have airborne unit and we do not need or I should say we have no such area for a LOW drop of 'tanks' in our AO. Learn more about Airdrop, DZ before making such comments. Furthermore we dun operate in that manner

Cannot do a coastal landing? Who will land blind? You thinking too much about D-day Laughing What is a 'beach head' for and where are the NDU? By air or by sea, your comment seem shallow.

Ritterkreuz SG

Not from 25th Div. But just surprised by the figure of 100,000 associated with a Div and 5 brigades. I guess I did not take in the word operation reserves.

bcoy SG

Using Chinooks to carry M113s? I don't think so.

Is there a real need for airborne infantry like the Malaysian RDF brigade? What are the objectives of such a unit compared to an airmobile (heliborne) unit in local context?

lion02 SG

we're in one of the div alright, but att to the Bde... it's the job for BRC, different scope.
and we don't work in PL level.

Joshua1975 SG

Maybe... I keep to myself about your ops. I am in oso in one of the div but directly under one of the Bde and my is break up from Coy to PL than into team level Rolling Eyes unless doing drop, if not we are on our own liao.

gary1910 SG

No such area ! maybe , we could do low level airdrop on the highway , this is certainly a large enough clearing for such operation.

The NS highway seem large enough.

Amphibious landing alway carry a high casualty risk, of course we will look for the weakest defended area for the beachhead, but it is not alway present itself, our enemy know that & might anticipate such move.

For example in GW1, the Iraqi have heavy fortification along the coast , anticipating a marines landing, but in the end ,US army did not take this option but by the land route option.

In SG context, only amphi & air option is available to us.

My suggestion is to add another dimension to our current capability, we dun operate in that manner does not mean we dun seek new ways for operation.

I-like-flings(m) SG

Shocked Shocked

maybe the airdrop i know of is diff from ur low level airdrop u talking about... if not.. how to drop on highway???????? u so accurate???

gary1910 SG

Well, Chinook's central hook is capable to carry 12 tonnes load, a M113A1 combat weight abt 11 tonnes and unloaded weight about 9.6 tonnes, I believe it could be done.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/chinook/index.html

As for 2nd qn, heli borne lift is limited thus you could lift armour asset of thin armour say maybe up to 12 tonnes?

But a C-130 could you give heavier air lift capability thus able to have armour asset of higher weight abt 17 tonnes.It could 2-3 such AFVs.

Thus you could hv better armoured veh for today warfare.

Joshua1975 SG

X 2 By air or by sea, your comment seem shallow.

gary1910 SG

Yes, low level is accurate becos the plane is only a few metre above ground during such operation.It is called LAPES = Low Altitude Parachute Extraction System . Read abt it from here & why there is need for such operation:

http://www.parachutehistory.com/military/lapes.html

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