21st Rapid Deployment Division

last SG · 2004-08-10T00:16:55+00:00

No such area ! maybe , we could do low level airdrop on the highway , this is certainly a large enough clearing for such operation. The NS highway seem larg...

I-like-flings(m) SG

since it's so low and if u dun care about enemy fire... then what is the diff btw dropping with a c130 and our heli?? u can have a bn inserted in no time..... Mr. Green

Joshua1975 SG

Read Exclamation meaning never call for it right Question so what make you think N.S.H. can call for a drop And why here you dun mention what and where are the threat we will face

gary1910 SG

Now Josh will earn his pay, PF and maybe some airborne troops in place before such operation! Smile

A C-130 will have heavier load capacity as well as better range, as I said before we only have abt 12 Chinook which has limited lift capacity compare to the C-130.

I-like-flings(m) SG

har??? what talking u.. ??

gary1910 SG

Sorri typo, read again. Embarassed

Joshua1975 SG

Yes heavier load, but how many can one take? Using LAPES to land one ABG, How many C130 we need do you know? How long the DZ need do you know? Not oni long, How wide? How is the operator going to the vehicle, confirm they are not inside.

LAPES will oni be used when the AO is secure fully.

Next better range, how far you want to go Rolling Eyes
Mr. Green

I-like-flings(m) SG

ok if ur are talking about 1) armour here.. then yes c130 can carry.. but how many??? and will such a small force be of any use??? have armour but not troop support also die what....they will just be pin down very fast or even kena arti and how many c130 u think can go in one wave??

2) if it's troops, 12x Chinook, 12x50=600 compare to the few c130 that we can use??? and if u are flying so low.... dun u think c130 is a bigger target??? dun forget we have SP too... if u dare dare..we can have 1 or 2 bn inserted in just 1 wave...

so which is better??

sorri mi no expert... but just my 2 cent worth of views.... Mr. Green

Joshua1975 SG

The largest air-drop was done b4 my time. 6 X C130 for CDO BN if I am not wrong.

The largest air inserted so far oni 1 X BN+ which I am in till now a BN+ is what SAF have done. C130, SP and Chinook all involve. What you think? Time is the main thing here. We cannot have the window open too long like the LAPES.

The main point is man and equipment must go in together.

Sorry time to take to land 1 BDE or 1 BN will not be say in here.

gary1910 SG

I hv say it in the previous post to bcoy. why C-130, why not Chinook, the reason is that it could carry a heavier & better protected AFV than a Chinook could. One C-130 could carry abt 2 -3 such vehicles, and Chinnok only one and also lighter AFV which is less protected.

The whole operation is not limited to only C-130, 12 Chinook for lighter asset like the LSV, LG105mm etc, whereas the 8-10 C-130 will have abt at least 16 heavier AFVs.

The combined airlift capacity will be greatly increased when both type are used right?

gary1910 SG

Based what you are saying, 6 C-130 for one Bn of commando, along with number of Chinook for LSV etc

Afterwhich they will secure the DZ, then 4 C-130 with 8 AFVs will come in doing LAPES, possible?

Btw ,the operators were already airdrop with the rest of the commando.

Joshua1975 SG

Read slowly leh...

The largest air-drop was done b4 my time. 6 X C130 for CDO BN if I am not wrong.

The largest air inserted so far oni 1 X BN+ which I am in till now a BN+ is what SAF have done. C130, SP and Chinook all involve. What you think? Time is the main thing here. We cannot have the window open too long like the LAPES.
The main point is man and equipment must go in together.

Sorry time to take to land 1 BDE or 1 BN will not be say in here

ai ya why you still dun understand no such area for LAPES. Even the N.S.H. is a NO.

And ya when did all our operator airborne train Rolling Eyes
You still in D-day Mr. Green

gary1910 SG

I remember last year Airforce 35th celebration in TAB, where a C-130 flew in low to the runway as if she was going to land , but it just flew for a while , only a few meters above the runway then takeoff again.

Was the pilot demonstrating the C-130 LAPES capability in front of the audiences?

I think so.

Joshua1975 SG

Laughing did it drop any loads? NO.

Going at 130kn... you go calculate how long it need b4 you make this kinda reply again leh. Just to remind you, we not talking one load here. Cool

I-like-flings(m) SG

huh?? i really blur of what u trying to say now...in ur e.g above... if u saying that there are other heli going in.. then... what is the diff with what we have not and that???? there is confirm an advance party going in the secured the area either by airborne or heli...then it will be save enough for ur c130 and main party to come in....my main point is that there's no way u can have a high level airdrop on highways and if it's low level one.. then if it's so save u might as well land it right?? why drop??

like i stated in my first post... i guess we are using heli borne unit like the 82nd....so there is no need or not much diff in our case to have a real air borne div

gary1910 SG

And I also cannot vouch for the enitre SEA that is no such area for such operation , and u seem to know that is none in SEA available for such operation or maybe we are only restricted only small area of operation in certain country?!? Question

and also why can't the C-130 go thru two LAPSE to clear two loads? i.e. one load at a time.

You seem to be restricted in your thinking, for example why can't the operators of the airborne armour asset be airborne trained as well???

gary1910 SG

I really hate to repeat myself, please read this again:

http://www.parachutehistory.com/military/lapes.html

LAPES allows cargo loads to be placed directly on the ground in exactly the right place. Some of these places would not allow for aircraft landings. Sometimes the terrain was unsuitable, sometimes it was because of enemy fire. LAPES was better at spotting heavy loads than Heavy Load Air Delivery.

Joshua1975 SG

Did you do your math not? You know 1min how long that the 130 going to cover in KM.
Next as i say b4 how far you want to go Laughing Do SAF need to go so far Rolling Eyes And yes I think I have had read/study more maps than you read on books.

Next on why can't the C-130 go thru two LAPSE to clear two loads? If you do the math part of the answer is there or why not go read somewhere on air traffic 1st than ask why not carry out 2 LAPES. Maybe military air traffic cannot fine, but more or less it still there. One more point, we are talking abt Rapid Deployment in large number and not 1 or 2 Cool you are slowly going out of point here.

When have all the tankee go for airborne? Guards oso have problem to get this done oredi now you are talking abt operators. why not go serve your NS 1st.

Confused Can never understand why lots of ppl here like to insist on thing when they dun have any facts with them

bcoy SG

Like I said - carrying a M113 with a Chinook - I still don't think so. Despite whatever lifting capability qouted (be it Chinook or C130) - you have not explained your objectives of having an airborne (parachute) unit in the local context.

I-like-flings(m) SG

I really hate to repeat myself too, i have read that.. and it still dun answer what i'm answer u.. maybe my english is so bad that u dun see what i am asking.. maybe i highlight the main point for u...

it's about thesmae to what bcoy is asking below

Shotgun SG

Eh. who posted this Orbat out ah? Last I checked this kinda stuff still have that stupid word -SECRET- as header and footer hor.

Pls delete this thread. =D

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