RSN Expansion ieas

last SG · 2004-07-20T13:11:17+00:00

Careful leh..argentina doesn't have any immediate threats other then Britain ...so whether they use spitfire or A-4 to patrol oso no problem ours leh..1 is...

SibeiSuayKia SG

come on CX show me proves that Bionix has been conducted
even if u put double titanium clading on the tank
and even if not tested..on live firing whats the damn point

everything is THEORY , but not PRACTICAL

have u even done any measurement to make sure ur stuff is correct?
all learned from internet?
if u come from armour i nothing to say...

cuz its seems that u also speculate

storywolf SG

Getting an air-craft carrier , means you will have to get the whole fleet of escort ships, that protect it, to form a carrier battle group. Just not possible for Singapore to have it, too costly and manpower to have a carrier group.

CX SG

Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:

come on CX show me proves that Bionix has been conducted
even if u put double titanium clading on the tank
and even if not tested..on live firing whats the damn point

i don't know if they didn't test it... but i also DON'T KNOW if they DID test it.

double titanium armour back to back is useless against HEAT... but if u space it apart and slope it slightly in some places, it can have a great effect in dissipating the jets from a HEAT weapon.

everything is THEORY , but not PRACTICAL

like the theory of gravity? or friction? or inertia? which are not so much theories, but LAWS of nature...

claiming that something that is observed to occur is nature is not "practical" is very amusing to me... Mr. Green

have u even done any measurement to make sure ur stuff is correct?
all learned from internet?

i always measure, double check and get someone else to look thru for me...

but after that's done and i make a photo-copy, does it make sense for me to go through the process on my photo-copies???

if u come from armour i nothing to say...

cuz its seems that u also speculate

not from armour, but not speculating. the BX features spaced-armour technology. that is why its so damn cramped in the passenger compartment even though it looks so big on the outside.

the chances of survival are not 100%... i mean... in a battlefield, who has 100% ??? but the consequences are less tragic than having a HEAT penetrate through and frying the crew and passengers inside...

the vehicle will be damaged, but the crew has a higher than average chance of survival.

SibeiSuayKia SG

okok stop it all about HEAT rounds

Last time, during the Israel-Palestinian conflict ,israel's strongest tank
went over a landmine..kaboom
a few died..

Is the bionix secured against landmine?
nowadays..enemy can use 10001 weapons against 1 armour..

And can the 12.7 mm gun destroy the polish tanks?

Can the policy of forward defense be applied if forward defensive
is rendered impossible by the implementation of landmine and blasting of "bridge?"

( i know this sounds lame that pple will put landmines in own country , but im assuming just a case like cambodia )

laser51088 SG

erm.. why must a 12.7 mm gun destroy polish tanks?? maybe its meant for soft armour targets... and if they have a 12.7mm gun and used as APC, then the troops they carry shud have anti-tank, which brings into question the HEAT missiles again... the vehicles with 12.7mm guns dun directly look for death by engaging MBTs...

if the enemy can use 10001 tanks against 1 armour, so can the enemy's enemy...

and sorry to interrupt the discussion but:
the bionix is built to withstand most likely threats lah, not to be super invincible... i've no idea on the defences against mines though...

SibeiSuayKia SG

before u can unload those RPG troops u need the 12.7mm gun to make the area safe from polish tanks…

Obersturmfuhrer SG

You left out the recon factor in your equation. Plus, AFVs/IFVs do not operate alone and are not tasked to operate against heavy armour.

storywolf SG

Most warship after a certain size have some sort of marine armoured. The smaller one trade it for speed and weight.

That is why anti-ship missile is huge, so it can have the ramming power and the heavy explosive to defeat the armour.

That is why the aircraft carrier alway operate with a carrier battle group that surround and protect it. Logical as the aircraft carrier is huge it will take a few hits to sink it. Note, some 2nd world war carriers are make of wood, not full steel, that is why the damage it bad.

Joshua1975 SG

ummm... din know you ppl have come to armour in ship liao Rolling Eyes

the oni armour a ship have is the metal body itself and how thick it is.

someone mention abt the carrier group, that is one of the protections it have. all the smaller ship around the carrier are to protect it at all cost even it means it has to used itself to block an incoming torpedo which in WWII some has.
next will be the fighter jet that is circling around the carrier 24/7 and of cause it own radar. any UFO will be order to get out of it airspace or be shoot down even if it a commercial plane.

Anyone know what is the no fly zone? I not sure but it big, very big.

storywolf SG

Think the no fly zone is 110NM, it is based on the max distance a plane can launch its from air to ship missiles.

Joshua1975 SG

hmmm... that is abt 203.720km, very far.

CX SG

Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
okok stop it all about HEAT rounds

Last time, during the Israel-Palestinian conflict ,israel's strongest tank
went over a landmine..kaboom
a few died..

Is the bionix secured against landmine?
nowadays..enemy can use 10001 weapons against 1 armour..

gee... i was not aware that u were expecting Sg to apply alien technology to build the "invincible tank" ...

hold on while i pull it out of my arse...

grow up lah... in war, pple die... even the merkeva, touted to be the most survivable tank in the world, can be disabled by determined palestinian militants wielding nothing more than AKs and improvised explosives.

And can the 12.7 mm gun destroy the polish tanks?

why should it??? and its not 12.7... its 7.62mm and a 25mm cannon.

IFVs were NEVER intended to take out tanks by itself! u just showed your abject ignorance of armour doctrine.

armour moves in ABGs... armoured battle groups... consisting of different vehicles so they have the flexibility to move fast and still be able to neutralise most threats.

Can the policy of forward defense be applied if forward defensive
is rendered impossible by the implementation of landmine and blasting of "bridge?"

well... u can try swimming across and walking on your tip toes just in case there are mines... Laughing

( i know this sounds lame that pple will put landmines in own country , but im assuming just a case like cambodia )

well i dun care what the UN and other bleeding heart humanitarians say... if i was manning a defence position, i would want the perimeters to be mined.

a mine is a legitimate tool for an effective defence.

SibeiSuayKia SG

Ambush..some tanks can just hide under the silhoutee of the jungle

DO YOU KNOW HOW THICK JUNGLE IS??
the question is..

You know whats the problem??
NOW??!!

The helicopters doing search and rescue in jungles of sabah and sarawak can't even find thier friend

so if u say apache will take out those tanks hiding in jungle..YOU are Wrong!

coz thier radar can't even detect a downed aircraft and they are even beginning to hire bomohs in the hope of finding the helicopter...

read straits times a few days back

IFV might just kana ambush..you'll never know 1 thing is for sure..
Apache will have problems working in jungle enviroment..
thats why ur IFV and MBT's come into place

so its either IFV vs MBT or MBT vs MBT..you'll never be 100% sure

note that apache = helicopter

Apache is only good for destroying protons on north-south highway
and btw.. AMG...do you know how slow it will take to move on a jungle??
at least 20km/hour...even if the enemy's Anti tank missile has no locking-on
system or whatever..20km/hour...is literally a sitting duck

if the tank move in ABG...just 1 whole group of polish MBTs with their guns blazing could just take out the ABG...dun forget apache is useless in thick jungle!

only used in desert storm II where there's no jungle..the person just hide inside the thick forest..fire 1 RPG...at ur copter..somemore copter is not really ez to manoevure

you might boast bionix can go 74km/hour...but thats on open road..nobody will go on open road in a wartime..

SEA war scenario is mainly jungles...to cover the land using copters u need apache..which goes at 360km/hour at max speed..

even if u got night vision and infra-red so what??

Anyone who flew above malaysian jungles please tell them how tall is the trees...ur sight is blocked..
the radar might track and lock..but how??

Even malaysia sent out so many search and rescue helicopters to track 1 object in the ground oso end up in failure..

you think just by sending 1 apache u gonna be able to be sure of tracking up to 10 polish tanks which might be hiding on the ground in the jungle just like sabah/sarawak scenario now? rofl. Apache waste of $$ only..

Obersturmfuhrer SG

Why are we talking about tanks in a thread on the expansion ideas for the RSN? Take your fight somewhere else.

CX SG

i'm lost in the sea of his convulated nonsense oredy... he can take it somewhere else if he wishes... i'm going to sleep... Rolling Eyes

Paladin SG

*scratch head* MY dear friend who are u refering to? I read from beginning until end also cannot find the "YOU" who mentioned apache taking out tanks in jungle leh.

ya lah ya lah.. all NVG, apaches, Bionix etc etc etc... all sucks and useless... I think in war time we just need to send SibeiSuayKia to the frontline.

SibeiSuayKia should have no problem in "blowing" all the enemies away.. LOL Mr. Green

SibeiSuayKia SG

nah someone talked about bionix..etc etc..
its all integrated lar..SEA fight in land by using ampibious transport
LAND fight to sea ..LAND fight air...all the same old shlt

Anyway..back to the topic...

RSN expansion idea??
....i heard Singapore has a computer satellite which can intergrate our land sea and air together..

weee....if our delta frigates could be armed with ICBMs...

storywolf SG

Great finally someone who knows the jungle is thick, but totally forgot, how in the world you move tanks into the thick jungle !!! Ambushing from the side to the jungle is different from move it into the jungle. Ok someone is going to open a path by saying "open seasame" and the trees will part like the red sea ! after the tanks move in, the trees will run back in place !!!

There is totally tell tale sign of movement, which that is what the satellites and recon planes are for, for a tank column to move in to the jungle there is just too many signs and tell tale tracks.

You are going to use a engineering company or a few at least to cut your way in. You are talking about trucks and engineering equipment like bulldozers. Don't tell me that you are going to use tanks to push through the jungle !!! 2 hrs of pushing, you will lost 1/2 of your tanks.

Nevermind let just say you Moses and parted the trees !!! cool ! tanks are in jungle !!! Sorry what about refuelling and ammo ? We are now talking about heavy stuff here, tankers and trucks. How in the world you are going to do that ? Does not mean to sit in jungle to wait till see enemy then start up engine . Tanks need to be started up regularly to ensure they are warm up for actions, these use up fuels. Maybe someone invented durian fuel if not don't see how you re-fuel them.

Tanks inside the jungle to do what ? what if situation change, and you need to move to somewhere else, "sorry sir, need another 2 hrs before, we can knock a path out of these jungle, jungle very thick too many durians tree. so in mean time, you use rpg 1st ok !!!"

There is no way you can stop a ambush, that why tanks and IFV works together, also any suspect area that is likely to have ambush will be check out 1st before tanks columns move, that what recon is for.

By the way, the Apache is to ensure they shoot up fuel storages, every tankers or trucks that is not hiding in the jungle ! So that even you have your tanks hiding in jungle, they can bloody rot there forever with no fuels, and trapped, behind the lines.

Obersturmfuhrer SG

ICBM, Inter-CONTINENTAL Ballistic Missile

Its like asking for a cleaver to chop an onion. Laughing

Joshua1975 SG

yoyo storywolf some of the ppl here have not yet serve NS or they may not even have to serve at all, that why you will see so many things they missed out....

all i can say to them is why not you ppl go serve your NS 1st than come back for discussion. other than read and heard what else you know abt what? can oni say this no good that not good... dun know yet still want to drill on it Rolling Eyes

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