RSN Expansion ieas

last SG · 2004-07-20T13:11:17+00:00

Careful leh..argentina doesn't have any immediate threats other then Britain ...so whether they use spitfire or A-4 to patrol oso no problem ours leh..1 is...

SibeiSuayKia SG

Recon LSV? and UAV is impossible

that Recon LSV can't go thru jungle well..and if it goes thru most likely will die..
no armour..all these....can radio back to HQ but can't reach home cuz it has no armour..ur Recon may be in the form of land or air..definitely not AWAC..
and in land...definitely will be manned and be in ...the Recon LSV..

UAV will crash into the trees.. sure there might be tell tale signs if u spot from the top..

don't tell me the apache will shoot onto the "tell tale signs?"

sure..there will be tankers etc etc..

so what if u destroy it?
they are not the key threat...the key threat is the sam batteries..
which is gunning at the apache which is going over the jungle

even jap tanks have no problems going thru malayan jungle lol..

Obersturmfuhrer SG

You really seem to have an issue with armour. You often point out alot of flaws in specifically extreme environments which I guess the generals never bothered to look at or examine. Rolling Eyes

Paladin SG

SO who is gonna sell us ICBM?
Not as if we are gonna fight Russia or US.

As I've mentioned in my earlier post.

I think acquire of AGM84-SLAM or SLAM-ER is more feasible.
Expand the size of our submarine force. Maybe 8 to 10 new sub.
Armed the subs with encapsulated AGM84 SLAM or SLAM-ER harpoon missiles. Deploy and move them out into the sea in the time of crisis. IMHO that should makes a pretty good deterrent force.

Range for AGM84 SLAM-ER is about 250Km.

storywolf SG

SibeiSuayKia arguing with someone like you who have totally no military knowledge, common sense and no brains is totally hopeless.

1st you don't know how to deploy tanks, and you don't know how to deploy Sam.

Sam batteries consist of lots of things, radar unit, missile units and generators. Radar cannot be in middle of jungle, why, the trees total block it. Next sam missiles batteries cannot be in middle of jungle, need a lot of clearance for missile to take flight. Yep in middle of jungle plane cannot see you, don't forget the branches and leaves also prevent you from seening them, and cannot shoot missile as will hit branches.

So what if i destory the tankers ? Hello , that mean you don't have fuels !!! You think plane come, then you run to start up all you Sam batteries right !!! The sam is on now and then to wait, these use up fuels - same as tanks, you have to warm up now and then, not wait till action which is too late. Unless you are converting durain to fuel. You just totally have useless tanks and sams without fuel.

Go read your history, the Japanese use roads to move their tanks, they have combat engineer to open roads. If there is apache, the jap tanks be hit ?

Paladin SG

If heavily armoured can it still be called Light Strike Vehicle and still be used for recon?

FYI we don't train our scouts to suicide. Think they are dumb that they will walk right into the enemy's face? They move in quietly and come out quietly.. They are on recon mission and not rescue mission for goodness sake.

U are more likely to walk right into a tree but not the UAV which will be flying above the trees. Rolling Eyes

IMHO i will not be sending my AH64 for recon mission. That's the job for scouts and UAVs.

As some of the guys had mentioned it is unlikely to hide a ABG in the jungle. Let say I'm the commander. And if I really have a good reason to suspect that there is a whole group of tanks hiding there. I would have call for artillery bombardment on the whole area before I advance my troops forward. A few hundreds cargo shells should be able to do the job. Don't worry about the AH64. I'll have better things for it to do.

There is no perfect weapon. The main thing is to use the right thing for the right job. U use spoon for rice but u can't say a knife is useless. Its good for ur steak right? But again a spoon will be useless if u are eating steak.
Its a mix and match thing.

Joshua1975 SG

hmmm... look like many not yet serve tee kee, xiao gine nah around or i think they dun need to serve at all as they are not Singaporean or something else.

Sad, they will never learn much on any other things in today SAF even they went in now. Most the very voc. they are in, even that is not complete. Sad

some of them write here are more shallow http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=86524&page=0

SibeiSuayKia SG

dun train our scouts to suicide?

even if carry some binoculars the range and visibility range is less
den 50m..in a thick jungle

how not to commit suicide when the enemy is oredi watching you? Twisted Evil how not to suicide when the Israeli Searcher UAV has crashed freaking tons of times?

how can a freaking UAV block itself against Ak-47 gunfire?
Do you know how loud is the noise produced by UAV?

Do you know what color is the UAV and do u know that jungle color is green and UAV color is silver?

If only the UAV is painted green ...nvm Confused

Only can blame our UAV is not Predator which can be equipped with hell fire II missiles..

Luckily our neighbour doesnt have electronic inference which will probably jam the signals sent to the UAV..

haHaHaHaHahaHa

|-|05| SG

Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
dun train our scouts to suicide?

even if carry some binoculars the range and visibility range is less
den 50m..in a thick jungle

how not to commit suicide when the enemy is oredi watching you? Twisted Evil how not to suicide when the Israeli Searcher UAV has crashed freaking tons of times?

What prevents us from seeing them also prevents them from seeing you...haiz

how can a freaking UAV block itself against Ak-47 gunfire?
Do you know how loud is the noise produced by UAV?

Do you know what color is the UAV and do u know that jungle color is green and UAV color is silver?

If only the UAV is painted green ...nvm Confused

i can only shake my head in amazment at this statement.For 1 if the UAV is high enough it's sound doesnt carry.....during the AA2004 i cld not hear it even though it was low flying.And you know why the freaking thing is painted white or grey and not green?Because it is flying up.....and when u look at the back ground is the sky which is *gasp* WHITE and BLUE!! If it was painted green it would stand out like a sore thumb u ass

weee....if our delta frigates could be armed with ICBMs...

no it cant.

so if u say apache will take out those tanks hiding in jungle..YOU are Wrong!

coz thier radar can't even detect a downed aircraft and they are even beginning to hire bomohs in the hope of finding the helicopter

Radar? nay..use IR to detect....jungle is cool....tank is hot....go figure

IFV might just kana ambush..you'll never know 1 thing is for sure..
Apache will have problems working in jungle enviroment..
thats why ur IFV and MBT's come into place

Well when the IFV's and MBT's get bogged down the choppers come in....they are to support not to lead

Last time, during the Israel-Palestinian conflict ,israel's strongest tank
went over a landmine..kaboom
a few died..

Is the bionix secured against landmine?
nowadays..enemy can use 10001 weapons against 1 armour..

Nothing is 100% indestrutable.
and the landmine used was a 2ton concrete explosive device......2 freaking tons......go figure

The aircraft carrier even with 92,000 tons ...can choose to put on TONS of armour Cuz its nuclear powered and you know what?

Nuclear power's strength is unlimited..

Now my friend....this statement shows how much u know.....Nuclear power's strength is NOT unlimited.It works the same way as any other power plant.Just that it is more efficient(thus producing more then it's size suggest) and the fuel lasts longer(couple of years for a nuclear rod compared with a few secs it takes to burn oil or gas)

sgFish SG

man..this is...

Rolling Eyes

Paladin SG

*sigh*
I cannot say u are ignorant because u do know somethings which I don't know. Rolling Eyes

I don't wanna go further on the scouts issue. U obviously had no ideas on how scouts are trained and have no respect for them.

Who cares about UAV being shot down? Aren't UAV made to be expandable in the first place?

Yes.. I do know how noisy a UAV can be. Once it was interrrupting my sleep during my field training in Lim Chu Kang.
I never got a chance for a closer look but I don't think it is sliver in colour. It could be light grey or something like that.. something like our F-5 planes... I think it makes a good camouflage for an Airbone object.
At least it took me quite a while to spot it under the sun.

lol Green? Why not chromo it? Make your enemy's life much easiler lah..
and again obviously u have no ideas what our future UAV is gonna be like.

Saint Valentinian SG

Maybe we should think of developling radical new technologies.
Like.. PS technology - Phrase Shift technology..ablity to absorb/repel projectiles.

or enhancing research in cybernatics, or energy shields.

Haha..just something to refreshing for a change...yeah, its all a dream now, just a glimpse into the future i guess. Smile [/b]

storywolf SG

SibeiSuayKia you totally hopeless in military matters ! let prove how idiot you are !!!

UAV fly at a height that is out of AK-47 range you moron !!!, it have camera that can zoom in, therefore it is design to fly higher so can scan more ground. You think in general search it is doing ground hugging flying ! You think shooting a target that small and moving in the sky is easy, you just prove you don't know how to use a gun.

You know why the UAV is painted sky color then green ? that is because it is in the air you moron ! you look up and see it against the sky, if it is painted like the sky, your eyes have hard time tracking it. Paint it green for what, stand out totally against the sky.

Jamming ! You think anyone who design a UAV for military never consider jamming, you think this is your neighbourhood store radio control plane is it ?

SibeiSuayKia don't know your military stuff mean you don't know, don't try to bullshit here.

SibeiSuayKia SG

LOL den i think they painted A-10 Warthog and Apache AH-64 D longbow with the WRONG Color LOL!!

Fly high?? LOL the UAV is Defenceless duck flying in the whole sky..

even pakistani air force ( we know how good it is Rolling Eyes )
Searcher II managed to down a India's UAV

what makes u think our neighbour's UAV can win

oi den ask u lar..why they paint A-10 warthog green color?
because the sky is green?

haha

wait i rebutt u all..

i know my military stuff of course

I think we should just get the global hawk or predator..
zzz

explain my above concept first before replying
a UAV is indeed hard to shot down
but the fact that PAF shot it down only proves that it CAN be done

Joshua1975 SG

si gin na... shall i add some more, so many ppl say liao, what else can i say Rolling Eyes
dun bring all the hear say thing here lar, it oni make you look stoopic.
if he get enlist for sure will be sabo king, talk cock king, Mr. Green

SibeiSuayKia SG

Oi come on lar read my above post..

yaya out of range..CAN be shot DOWN , as PAF officials have proven it
with their AA guns..

so what are u trying to prove here?
sky color oso can be shot..

Eh then i think its stupid to paint Apache in green color den why not we paint them in sky color??

oei anyone offering a contract to paint apache into silver color same as F-16?
hahahaha

How can u freaking scan the ground when there is haze coming fr. indonesia ....and btw..it is too small to put those thing which can detect missile lock ons or whatever stuff...small only helps in preventing it from being shot down...

with the invention of missiles..even missiles itself can be downed..
UAV ...nah...not much trust on it

How do u know for sure singapore doesn't have ICBM?
if u are a DSTA scientist..well i give up..
all it takes for a simple rocket is hydrogen propellant...solid fuel and blast off...
anyway we can always buy a tomahawk cruise missile and open it and see whats inside =)

See singapore focus so much on biological defense and invest so much into biology and 3rd largest sector in singapore?? the ICBM need not carry nuke warheads..could be another version of chemical missile? well its all speculating

i know that if the enemy has the right frequency as your plane ..and some electronic "hacking" tools...control can be wrested from the controller

Electronic defense counter measures?? sure possible nothing is 100% foolproof stop saying im immature

Anything that has frequencies CAN be jammed
including Mig-27..AWACS...spy planes..

what makes UAV cannot be jammed? even satellites can be..
unless ur UAV got pre-programmed flight path den i got nothing to say.. Rolling Eyes

SibeiSuayKia SG

Yes nuclear power strength is unlimited..the atoms split...FAST in a milisecond
i study physics 1...the reason why nuclear plants don't explode is because they are controlled in rods..if not will leak and chernobyl will happen again

im talking about nuclear power- uncontrolled..wait i take from my encyclopedia

you don't hear the noise from the UAV cause AA 2004 is a event is likely to be noisy..don't forget there are also other planes on the sky at that time

tanks produce lots of heat..but when engine is off..and they don't fire the gun
=/ ur IR don't work..modern tanks are design with low heat signatures..
just like the F-117 planes..

The trees?? blocking the missile?? lol...don't tell me the missile will accidentally hit the tree branch..leading towards a friendly fire explosion..

missiles CAN and in FACT can fly through leaves..which explain why
America's jets got locked on even flying in vietnam's forest

The higher u angle u point ur missiles..the more likely it will hit leaves rather den trees..

coz the higher u aim...there is less chances of it hitting the
branches

anyway the missile will just bash it way thru the foliage etc..
don't tell me the missile's warhead is so sensitive that it will explode upon hitting the branch..

you can UNarm the missile and arm it later on..

forget what movie was it..but it was a vietnam movie involving planes on a aircraft carrier..using a plane similar in shape like the a-6 instruder? not very sure

Joshua1975 SG

Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:
The aircraft carrier even with 92,000 tons ...can choose to put on TONS of armour Cuz its nuclear powered and you know what?
Nuclear power's strength is unlimited..

ooi out of point leh, this 2 dun match with what was discuss by you leh.

1st) you make yourself a fool; nuclear used on carrier, even it strength/power is unlimited still depend very much on the hard ware that is used within to push it.

2nd) than you cannot accept ppl reply, so get out of point by bring in physics. Rolling Eyes

oh i just like it here. yo any more hear say from you not???
+1 Mr. Green

Joshua1975 SG

Laughing evidence of hear say, see some where... movie???

+1 Mr. Green

SibeiSuayKia SG

it was a bunch of A6-instruder type of planes flying over VN..
den somewhere over the jungle..

THE SAMs all suddenly locked on to their planes..
some sort like a aerial ambush

den had to dive here dive there..pull Gs to avoid missiles

Nuclear power is basically unlimited.
Why do i say so ?
coz 1 kg of nuclear power is approx = 20,000 tons of coal..

i took that from encyclopedia as well
the power of nuclear power uncontrolled is those which has exploded over the pacific islands..just think

if the pple at aircraft don't control the power inside the aircraft carrier..
the aircraft carrier will basically ..out of control..which means the so called
"unlimited" potential of nuclear power will be unleashed

hardware used to push it?

dude..just remember...1 nuclear bomb can destroy parts of johor and indonesian southern islands oso..

if those fuel and stuff equipped on courageous ever exploded..you think the explosion will destroy CNB? hahahahhaha

it can be seen in another context

Fuel's power is limited as in...it will run out in future
Nuclear's power's potential = unlimited

no wonder im so suay...it has been more den 10 years since u last did full time NS from the day u were born on 1975..

haiz someone has not been doing thier reservice properly thats why cannot blame ma

haiz..i think its still Gulf War I for you bah for 1990 =)

Joshua1975 SG

si gin na just cannot accept what a fool he is.

1st is abt armour on ship, lose out, bring in nuclear power, lose out, bring in physics, out of point, now bring in control of nuclear inside? getting more away from the point. what ever power you used if the hard ware (plant/engine if you dun know what hard ware means here) cannot take it and can oni go so fast, that will be it... accept it or you will just tell all ppl here that what you mean is by just nuclear power the carrier will move without the anything else, not even propeller???
go serve 1st than come back and discuss some more

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