DTL rationalisation speculations

last SG · 2015-05-06T14:12:01+00:00

I do not think within the first three months of opening of Downtown Line MRT, there would be (significant) changes to bus routes because of the opening of th...

SMB128B SG

For all those who live in other areas and are making your suggestions based on what you saw "few years" back or "night time only" or "once in a while", please move your butts to Bukit Timah area, where I currently have 2 live projects.

Loading has dropped on each and every service including the once over-crowded 74. All others have their loading dropped during peak hours to 20-30 pax. Take the buses and you will know.

The loading picks up again at King Albert MRT towards Ngee Ann or Jalan Anak Bukit/Beauty World bus stops for services going to Clementi Road or Bukit Batok. For those towards CCK, Woodlands Road, loading picks up at BPJ MRT.

What does this show?? DTL2 has cannibalized a huge part of the loading. It doesn't mean take away all the services, but instead of having so many running at 20 pax, take away few, and then the buses will at least run with 40 pax. Makes sense or still doesn't?

Ya lor all the conservatives round here just so stubborn to change.. Some of the svcs really should be made express to skip the entire BT Rd..

dupdup77 SG

I know but it is frustrating when someone suggests to merge 178 and 180 that have such different loading patterns and frequencies. Or asks 170 to go exactly the same route as 960. You know what I mean!!

Hi mr busanalyser, just ignore or rebut. Cannot ask to lock thread and stop commenting just because of your frustrations caused by 1 or 2 guys. Cheers. Thanks.

Sbs6750E SG

Hi mr busanalyser, just ignore or rebut. Cannot ask to lock thread and stop commenting just because of your frustrations caused by 1 or 2 guys. Cheers. Thanks.

Agree with you bro.

carbikebus SG

I might think 170 will be cut short to terminate at Gali Batu Bus Terminal in future and 170A will be withdrawn..170X will become 170M instead.Bt Timah loadings in fact has dropped since DTL is in operation,Not because pax didnt like buses but the famous jams during peak hours make them frustrated.

gekpohboy SG

To whom it may concern,

I am sorry if the suggestion I made about 178 and 180 did not resonate well with your expectations. As much as we all want to contribute something useful to the forum, not everyone can observe bus routes all the time.

Please understand that every one of us has the right to voice our opinion. There is no right or wrong answer. It would be good if you can be more accommodating to our comments, just as we have been accommodating to yours.

Thank you for taking time to read this message.

Regards,

Gek Poh Boy

array88 SG

I remember when 170A was introduced (the same day when DTL2 opened), people were saying 170A is SBST's measure to ensure there are enough buses in BPJ area in case DTL2 breaks down.

So, as long as 170 remains as the only SBST service in BPJ, I don't forsee it being shortened unless LTA/SBST don't mind asking SMRT for shuttle buses (which may still be troublesome even with BCM). An alternative solution is to have 170M from Bukit Panjang to Larkin while reducing the frequency of 170 full route, but it will make 170's route way too confusing with 170X, 170M, 170A etc.

TIB 585L SG

Why not 170 start from Larkin loop at BPJ MRT?

Those people in Tekka going to their dorm at mandai, all tank DTL or 960

CZT SG

Why not 170 start from Larkin loop at BPJ MRT?

Those people in Tekka going to their dorm at mandai, all tank DTL or 960

cannot lah, that one might as well ask jb operators take over. Why let SG buses operate frm malaysia? depot control oso not easy. (Well in fact CW5 is liddat so cant blame much too)

carbikebus SG

Trust me in future 170 will be shortened either to Gali Batu Terminal or Bt Panjang.

carbikebus SG

Queen Street remain with those cross-border express svc.

gekpohboy SG

A number of bus routes at Upper Bukit Timah Road come from Woodlands (160, 170, 178, 960, 961). If we split the Woodlands section of those routes and consolidate them into one or two bus routes that loop around DTL Bukit Panjang or Cashew station, I'm pretty sure this would optimise resources. Maybe that's why there are plans to create a new bus terminal at DTL Gali Batu depot, although a better location is somewhere around Cashew station. (In the first place, where's the official information from LTA that say that there will be a new bus terminal at DTL Gali Batu depot? The information on the contractor's letter to residents may not be accurate.)

CZT SG

Frm the discussions above, i think why not just strip 170 all the way up to start frm kranji? Thats where all the loading come frm. But first we need a proper bus ter there, if not they will mess up the kranji bus stop. In this case, can just retain the red plate route to malaysia, remove 170X and 160 (since no one takes buses to jb sentral, but if u observe otherwise do share it :) )

gekpohboy SG

Until an investigation is conducted on the bus services’ loading in Bukit Timah and Bukit Panjang, and reported in this forum, we can only have coffee shop talk here. (Unfortunately, I have a 40% exam tomorrow, 40% exam on next Monday and a 50% exam on next Thursday) It would be good if some kind soul currently based in Bukit Timah (with two projects) can dedicate around three hours of his time every day for around two weeks to record the loadings of the bus services at that area. 

CZT SG

Gekpohboy dun nid to say these. The guy i believe goes thru bukit timah area like everyday, so he would have seen all

BusAnalayzer SG

That wouldn't be ideal. There are lot of people who take 170 from BPJ, YT and Mandai Estate to JB. The best option is: Bukit Panjang <> Larkin. There are many who take DTL2 and will transfer to 170 at BPJ.

I think it is important to note where the loading comes from while suggesting changes to routes. Unfortunately, most don't take this into consideration.

BusAnalayzer SG

Why not 170 start from Larkin loop at BPJ MRT?

Those people in Tekka going to their dorm at mandai, all tank DTL or 960

That was my proposal. BPJ <> Larkin. Better to start from BPJ.

iveco SG

If 170 got shortened to BPJ it might as well be grouped with Woodlands contract. Can share resources with 950 too.

AJQZC SG

That was my proposal. BPJ <> Larkin. Better to start from BPJ.

BPJ ITH has no space already, needs to take care of its other services 75, 176, 184, (700), 920, 922, 970, 972, 973, 975 and 979 first. None of these services are fit to be extended away from BPJ (probably except 979 that could be extended to BB). The current bus park may still be useful for some southbound trunks, but the possibility isn't too high.

The other possibility is to let 170 start from BB and travel via 178's route, with 178 shortened to Boon Lay -- BB and a new feeder replacing 178's Woodlands section. With the rest of UBT/BT/Dunearn Rd covered by 67 and DTL2, transfers can be done at BPJ.

Or, why not extend 160 to Larkin and make it loop once around BPJ? Then 170 can be made semi-express (or simply withdrawn, following your idea)

SMB145B SG

Or, why not extend 160 to Larkin and make it loop once around BPJ? Then 170 can be made semi-express (or simply withdrawn, following your idea)

New WDL feeder?

WRI is full already.

lemon1974 SG

why dun u go observe 170 buses at bus stop opposite Bukit Panjang Mrt during evenng peak.. see how is the loading of 170 buses.. 170 is running at 11-15 mins frequency right now. majority of buses are for 170X..

170 can just remain as it is..

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