DTL rationalisation speculations

last SG · 2015-05-06T14:12:01+00:00

I do not think within the first three months of opening of Downtown Line MRT, there would be (significant) changes to bus routes because of the opening of th...

iveco SG

why dun u go observe 170 buses at bus stop opposite Bukit Panjang Mrt during evenng peak.. see how is the loading of 170 buses.. 170 is running at 11-15 mins frequency right now. majority of buses are for 170X..

170 can just remain as it is..

170 can stay as it is for the purpose of rail replacement, just like 2 in the east.

gekpohboy SG

TIB429E SG

170 can just remain as it is..

Evening peak till night, not just evening peak.

The loading at BPJ MRT are for 178/961 also, mainly foreign workers.

TIB429E SG

That was my proposal. BPJ <> Larkin. Better to start from BPJ.

170/170A coming from Bugis, before BPJ, already have quite a no. of passengers. Basically you won't get a seat(or a pair of empty seat) along Hillview stretch onwards.

TIB429E SG

Rough idea of 170/170A loading...

Queen St - Opp Shell Kiosk :
Bus can be quite empty, can find a pair of seats before 3pm.
20-30 pax, basically you cant find a seat or a pair of seats from 4pm onwards.

Opp Shell Kiosk - BPJ MRT :
Occasionally a few pax before 3pm.
Demand increase as the time increases(4pm..5pm..), depends if it's the bus arrive first before 961/178.

BPJ MRT - Kranji Stn :
Most pax. whom boarded halfway, alighted along these sector.
As usual, peak hours crowd going to Msia would come in and pack the bus(170).
Night time - Demand drop a little at Kranji Stn, but evening peak is the highest.

Kranji - Wdl Twn Garden :
170A can be quite empty, handful of pax.
170 would be packed/more demands.

BusAnalayzer SG

170/170A coming from Bugis, before BPJ, already have quite a no. of passengers. Basically you won't get a seat(or a pair of empty seat) along Hillview stretch onwards.

You are joking right???

And there is 178/961... together all of them don't even have standees along Upper Bukit Timah until they hit BPJ where the loading comes.

I am not saying there are no takers for these buses along Upper Bukit Timah but when there are 3 services in parallel... the loading is distributed to around 20 pax/bus during peak hours. If a bus is late, loading will be better on the bus that comes first.

BusAnalayzer SG

Rough idea of 170/170A loading...

Queen St - Opp Shell Kiosk :
Bus can be quite empty, can find a pair of seats before 3pm.
20-30 pax, basically you cant find a seat or a pair of seats from 4pm onwards.

Opp Shell Kiosk - BPJ MRT :
Occasionally a few pax before 3pm.
Demand increase as the time increases(4pm..5pm..), depends if it's the bus arrive first before 961/178.

Kranji - Wdl Twn Garden :
170A can be quite empty, handful of pax.
170 would be packed/more demands.

The loading you have described till BPJ MRT is one off... I have been in the area off late as I have two projects... and I haven't seen any 170 bus with even standees during peak hours... There are in fact many with less than 20 pax... Hence, the above loading is not a true representative.

array88 SG

You are joking right???

And there is 178/961... together all of them don't even have standees along Upper Bukit Timah until they hit BPJ where the loading comes.

Weekend nights.

During pre-DTL2 days, 170 can easily get at least 40-50 foreign workers from Bugis and Little India to their dorms at Woodlands Road, when 960 is so packed that they cannot board. Not sure about the situation after DTL2.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

Weekend nights.

Confirm kena packed after Kranji MRT like Airport situation.

170 will be diverted to serve Bt Panjang Rd, BKE, PIE, Stevens Road, skip Newton Circus, and follow CW service.

170A will be renumbered to 270, and extend to Woodlands North when ready.

CZT SG

Weekend nights.

Like what bus analayzer mentioned, ard less than 20 pax lor. Maybe what we need to do is to have someone else to go observe, so that we can all be more convinced? i guess thats the best way ard?

carbikebus SG

170 weekends loadings is full house but Mon-Thu from Ban San till Woodlands so so la..

CZT SG

170 weekends loadings is full house but Mon-Thu from Ban San till Woodlands so so la..

hmm i have the feeling too, but Mr. Bus Analayzer is that true?

BusAnalayzer SG

hmm i have the feeling too, but Mr. Bus Analayzer is that true?

Little India to Bukit Panjang by DTL2 is 20 mins only (this is official on MRT time card).

Consider how long it takes for 170 from Little India to Bukit Panjang - 50-60 mins depending on congestion around Newton Circus.

Now it is for you to decide how do the workers travel. Do they take DTL2 or do 170 all the way to Woodlands Checkpoint which is 1.5 hours in bus.

99% would take DTL2 from Little India and transfer to 170/178 at BPJ MRT.

Weekends I don't know because I don't observe. It is purely family time. But weekdays it is around 20 pax during off peak and peak hours.

Why don't you take 170 one of the evenings to try it yourself? also take into consideration if there is 961/67/171/178 in front... and how many minutes before is the earlier 170.

CZT SG

Little India to Bukit Panjang by DTL2 is 20 mins only (this is official on MRT time card).

Consider how long it takes for 170 from Little India to Bukit Panjang - 50-60 mins depending on congestion around Newton Circus.

Now it is for you to decide how do the workers travel. Do they take DTL2 or do 170 all the way to Woodlands Checkpoint which is 1.5 hours in bus.

99% would take DTL2 from Little India and transfer to 170/178 at BPJ MRT.

Weekends I don't know because I don't observe. It is purely family time. But weekdays it is around 20 pax during off peak and peak hours.

Why don't you take 170 one of the evenings to try it yourself? also take into consideration if there is 961/67/171/178 in front... and how many minutes before is the earlier 170.

Ok thanks for ur advice. Of course ppl would wanna opt for the faster option which is the DTL, but in anyways i shall find time to observe it for myself. Cheers.

Anyways, do yall think the DTL2 rationalisation would only take place when BPITH opens? And i mean the DTL2 sector, not sure for DTL3

carbikebus SG

Ok thanks for ur advice. Of course ppl would wanna opt for the faster option which is the DTL, but in anyways i shall find time to observe it for myself. Cheers.

Anyways, do yall think the DTL2 rationalisation would only take place when BPITH opens? And i mean the DTL2 sector, not sure for DTL3

Have to consider the famous Jam along Bt Timah/Newton too.

TIB868X SG

If I were LTA I wouldn't want to be paying mileage to operators that have services run empty on long stretches.

TIB868X SG

170 weekends loadings is full house but Mon-Thu from Ban San till Woodlands so so la..

170/170A loading between Ban San and Kranji is moderate at most. Aunty uncle take from rochor alight along bukit timah or to little india. Hillview and bukit panjang got malaysians take to kranji or checkpoint.

dupdup77 SG

If I were LTA I wouldn't want to be paying mileage to operators that have services run empty on long stretches.

Hi mr TIB868X, cannot say that. Mission of public transport is to connect places and people no matter how little people and not solely based on profitability and economics. Cheers. Thanks.

array88 SG

Little India to Bukit Panjang by DTL2 is 20 mins only (this is official on MRT time card).

Consider how long it takes for 170 from Little India to Bukit Panjang - 50-60 mins depending on congestion around Newton Circus.

Now it is for you to decide how do the workers travel. Do they take DTL2 or do 170 all the way to Woodlands Checkpoint which is 1.5 hours in bus.

99% would take DTL2 from Little India and transfer to 170/178 at BPJ MRT.

Weekends I don't know because I don't observe. It is purely family time. But weekdays it is around 20 pax during off peak and peak hours.

Why don't you take 170 one of the evenings to try it yourself? also take into consideration if there is 961/67/171/178 in front... and how many minutes before is the earlier 170.

A lot of foreign workers seem to prefer more direct links instead of faster ones.

A few months after DTL2 was introduced, I still saw full upper decks on 66 DD on weekend nights. This was kind of surprising considering there was DTL2, and Bukit Batok / Jurong East had MRTs for decades.

Although I have to admit I'm not so sure for 170. Will try to observe this Sunday night.

BusAnalayzer SG

A lot of foreign workers seem to prefer more direct links instead of faster ones.

Although I have to admit I'm not so sure for 170. Will try to observe this Sunday night.

If it is all about weekends, keep 170 for weekends. Just like 66 have DDs only on weekends and not weekdays as demand is poor on weekdays.

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