Route Suggestions (Part 7)

last SG · 2016-07-04T22:43:50+00:00

For the areas already developed - like Lavender, Jurong and Bedok - if there should be, there would already be.The new bus routes at the new areas - like Pun...

CZT SG

Essentially i think night buses are operating at a loss. From my past observations, i see that they usually operate with a low demand (or no demand?). Each bus seems to carry no more that 20 people.

I took these buses for abt 3 to 4 times. The first 2 times i cant rmb much details. But more recently, when i took 1N, i see that once theres only about 4 to 5 pax (SG50 night), and on another occasion, about 8 pax on board, which is quite decent and hence my conclusion.

Problem i see night buses suffering is: 1. Their route is VERY winding, and that is why people who know they exist, do not take the buses as they find that cabs can do a better job (who cares abt fares when their comfy bed is calling to them) to bring them home quick. 2. Most people do not know that these services exist! But of course, i make these conclusions based on normal operating periods and not during festive seasons (then again, SG50 night the bus i took oso not a lot of people, what does it show?)

I think the best way to optimise their usage would be to standardise their fares (make it the same as express services?). idk how these routes can be made more direct. Any thoughts? Maybe my views are wrong, so i'm curious what others think about it.

orange28 SG

Essentially i think night buses are operating at a loss. From my past observations, i see that they usually operate with a low demand (or no demand?). Each bus seems to carry no more that 20 people.

I think that if the fares for the night bus are lowered any further then they will probably run into greater losses so that's probably unlikely to happen.

I wonder if it would be feasible for the night buses to operate routes largely parallel to the existing MRT network (like modified bus bridging services) so that when the MRT system is closed for the night, the buses can take over to enable people to continue travelling across Singapore. As of now the night buses go from city to HDB towns in a one-way fashion, but I think two-way (and less winding!) services could be useful to more people ...

CZT SG

I think that if the fares for the night bus are lowered any further then they will probably run into greater losses so that's probably unlikely to happen.

Not sure for other night buses, but i rmb the route of NR1: it goes thru all the estates as it advances up the north-south line up to yishun, hence veryy winding

TPS Timothy Mok SG

I think that if the fares for the night bus are lowered any further then they will probably run into greater losses so that's probably unlikely to happen.

Don't forget taxi bookings through calls may soon be the thing of the past. With the rise of Uber, GrabTaxi and ComfortDelGro booking apps, I don't think they will have a trend of having night buses.

SMB5007J SG

Don't forget taxi bookings through calls may soon be the thing of the past. With the rise of Uber, GrabTaxi and ComfortDelGro booking apps, I don't think they will have a trend of having night buses.

true actually... nowadays got grabcar for example, sometimes cheaper than taxi. if passengers do not want to wait another 30mins if they miss the bus, i'm sure they will grabcar instead

TPS Timothy Mok SG

If you want night buses, the only simple ones worthwhile at more frequent intervals are:

Changi Airport (All Terminals - Terminal 1/2/3/4/5 and Project Jewel) to CBD

Jurong East High-Speed Rail Terminus to CBD

333, 334 & 335 is allowed to run 24-hours for a start should the High-Speed Rail opens, at 1 bus interval.

Adding on, the government is building infrastructures to cater to the 'service-standard' economy. Don't forget Tuas will also have a megaport too. Southern Waterfront City will replace the Tanjong Pagar, Brani and Keppel Terminals from 2017.

orange28 SG

Suggested extension to Nite Owl Service 1N (reduce duplication with NR1 & provide alternative link to Sembawang):

I would suggest to skip Yishun Ring Rd entirely since it's already covered by NR1. Might as well follow svc 859's route to Sembawang:

orange28 SG

Don't forget taxi bookings through calls may soon be the thing of the past. With the rise of Uber, GrabTaxi and ComfortDelGro booking apps, I don't think they will have a trend of having night buses.

I think that once autonomous vehicles are commonplace, then night buses as we know it today will probably be replaced by a mixture of autonomous buses that cover the existing MRT routes (to provide a skeletal 24 hr public transportation) and AVs from Uber and co. to cover everything else ...

carbikebus SG

Huh?those 4-6 seater bus as Night bus?I don't think so,LTA will evaluate new Operators for now to see if they can handle night bus also..In future Im not suprised if GA get NR7 and TT get NR5 or 8,While the new Seletar winner get 1N.

orange28 SG

I hope in the future the night bus system will be revamped so no more separate 1N/2N/etc and NR1/NR2/etc series but instead be standardized (same number series?), and then the same area will generally not be covered by more than one night bus route, also at that point LTA should distribute evenly the night bus routes to each bus package. Right now looking at the NR routes for the SMRT bus packages also don't make much sense. NR5 to Jurong West, NR7 to Pasir Ris but both under Woodlands package?

CZT SG

I would suggest to skip Yishun Ring Rd entirely since it's already covered by NR1. Might as well follow svc 859's route to Sembawang:

I agree, or maybe can even go up to woodlands, covering sectors not covered by NR2!

CZT SG

Yes i dont think LTA would wanna have such mini buses for night bus. Might as well use cab.

CZT SG

I agree, and also the standarisation of the fares, to ensure pax can transfer between buses without having to pay more. Currently changing between a SMRT and SBS night bus would cost $8.90 fot adults which is way too much, even though it is much cheaper as compared to cabs or GrabCar etc.

The main problem with night buses, as i have mentioned, is that not a lot of people know about it. Pax would generally know about the routes if they were to run everyday, or run in daylight. On the other hand, night buses only run on weekend, and is deep into the night, so very little people would know it even exist. This reminds me of the incident when i took CT28 last year. I exchanged a few words with the BC and he mentioned that becoz it only runs on CNY period, not a lot of people will know where it goes, and hence ridership is low. (Side note: i asked him whether CT28 will be withdrawn, he said no, but look at this year haha...)

Another thing that i think is hard to sustain night buses is that BCs have to be paid more for running on schedules that is in the after hours and also on weekends, so the pay should be higher right? idk abt this, but maybe you guys can clarify this?

Anyways, in this case, do you think night buses will finally be withdrawn due to rise of cabs and Grabcar/Uber industries? I think so too, what about u guys?

carbikebus SG

Either reduce the fare to $3.20-3.60 or make the route more direct instead of so many windings..

Sbs6750E SG

Should svcs 10 and 100 ply West Coast Viaduct exit at Labrador Pk Stn there?
This will reduce duplication and faster journey from CBD to Pasir Panjang/Queenstown areas.
Pls comment.

SBS9252G SG

Should svcs 10 and 100 ply West Coast Viaduct exit at Labrador Pk Stn there?
This will reduce duplication and faster journey from CBD to Pasir Panjang/Queenstown areas.
Pls comment.

For 100 nope, I still believe there's still catchment at Vivo to ply to Beach Road/aljunied and to Commonwealth MRT faster than 145.

AJQZC SG

Proposed extension to service 228 to Kaki Bukit Industrial Estate.

(Amended from discussion here.)

An alternative would be to amend 18 for the Bedok North segment and let 228 take 18's shorter current route along BN Ave 2. Most existing links are already covered by 60, 66 and 87.

array88 SG

Also, some say Route 178 may be affected bu DTL2. It may make sense to merge it with Route 172. Old Jurong Road section can be covered by Route 176, as Hillview already has Routes 963 & 970.

176 cannot. Many people use it as a feeder from Hillview to Bukit Batok MRT.

Unless you make 177 a full-day service.

carbikebus SG

How about extending 403 to start from Changi Village?

carbikebus SG

I would suggest to skip Yishun Ring Rd entirely since it's already covered by NR1. Might as well follow svc 859's route to Sembawang:

Niteowl not necessarily start from Marina Centre.Revamp all those Niteowl and Nightrider.

1N:Shenton Way-Yishun via Toa Payoh,Bishan,AMK & Yishun.

2N:RWS-Tampines via Mountbatten,Marine Parade,Bedok Reservoir and Tampines.

3N:Marina Centre-Choa Chu Kang via Commonwealth,Clementi,Toh Tuck,Bt Batok,CCK.

4N:Shenton Way-Pasir Ris via Geylang,Bedok North,Simei,Upp Changi Rd,Pasir Ris.

5N:Marina Centre-Jurong West via Redhill,Commonwealth Ave,Jurong East,Jurong West.

6N:RWS-Punggol via Serangoon,Buangkok,Hougang,Sengkang,Punggol.

NR1:Shenton Way-Yishun via Serangoon,Potong Pasir,Upp Thomson,Sembawang Rd,Yishun.

NR2:RWS-Tampine North via Victoria St,Geylang Bahru,Bartley,Tampines central,Tampines North.

NR3:Shenton Way-CCK via BKE,Woodlands,BPJ,CCK

NR4:Marina Centre-Pasir Ris via Kallang,Geylang,Bedok Reservoir,Tampines,Tampines Ace 10,PSR.

NR5:Shenton Way-Jurong West via Tanglin,Redhill,Commonwealth Ave,Boon Lay,Jurong West.

NR6:Shenton Way-Sengkang via Potong Pasir,Serangoon,Buangkok,Sengkang.

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