Loading level on buses (Part 2)

last SG · 2016-03-21T01:45:53+00:00

118 getting more loadings during peak hours,Am peak saw a fully seated DD with at least 20 standees while PM saw a DD with fully seated and a few standees wh...

BusAnalayzer SG

I also wonder why 127 got 1 xover DD?Fleet of 4 Citaro is enough for now..

Bro... 127 has 3 DDs and 2 SDs operating...

When I took it on Wednesday, I spotted 3 B9TLs (2 lush green, 1 SBS livery) and 1 Citaro (lush green).

Frequency is around 07-10 mins.

All buses observed had <20 pax... 1 of the DDs observed along Tampines Ave 10 towards MRT had only around 10 pax with only 1 pax on upper deck.

carbikebus SG

Bro... 127 has 3 DDs and 2 SDs operating...

When I took it on Wednesday, I spotted 3 B9TLs (2 lush green, 1 SBS livery) and 1 Citaro (lush green).

Frequency is around 07-10 mins.

All buses observed had <20 pax... 1 of the DDs observed along Tampines Ave 10 towards MRT had only around 10 pax with only 1 pax on upper deck.

Wakakakaka,Joke of the year sial...đ¤Łđđđ¤

carbikebus SG

Bro... 127 has 3 DDs and 2 SDs operating...

When I took it on Wednesday, I spotted 3 B9TLs (2 lush green, 1 SBS livery) and 1 Citaro (lush green).

Frequency is around 07-10 mins.

All buses observed had <20 pax... 1 of the DDs observed along Tampines Ave 10 towards MRT had only around 10 pax with only 1 pax on upper deck.

When we think DD is a wasted resource on S83/85,This 127 beats them all...đŠ

BusAnalayzer SG

When we think DD is a wasted resource on S83/85,This 127 beats them all...đŠ

There are many such la... 46 also đŠ

But with DTL3 in 2018, 46 loading will improve. For 127 also once the industrial estate is developed around 2020, DDs will be needed but LTA too generous la... give DDs always 2-4 years in advance of potential.

129 on other hand has 6 Citaros even if pax travel long distances.

carbikebus SG

There are many such la... 46 also đŠ

129 on other hand has 6 Citaros even if pax travel long distances.

129 can survive la bro.

SMB5007J SG

new DD downroutes for 975 added since last week

saw a almost full upper deck and full lower deck 975 DD arriving lot 1 few days back in the morning

carbikebus SG

new DD downroutes for 975 added since last week

saw a almost full upper deck and full lower deck 975 DD arriving lot 1 few days back in the morning

Which part of 975 that not passable to DD?

carbikebus SG

Loading on svc 127 @ 18.36 (5145X DD)

Tampines Interchange -- 08 (0/8)

Tampines Concourse -- 09 (0/1), 04 (-5/0)

Tampines Ave 9 -- 02 (-2/0), 00 (-2/0)

Tampines Ave 10 -- 00 (0/0), 00 (0/0), 01 (0/1)

Tampines Industrial Ave 5 -- 06 (0/5), 08 (0/2)

Tampines Road -- 08 (0/0), 08 (0/0), 08 (0/0), 08 (0/0)

Tampines Ave 10 -- 12 (0/4), 12 (0/0)

Tampines Ave 9 -- 13 (-2/3), 14 (-1/2)

Tampines Concourse -- 12 (-4/2), 11 (-1/0)

* Peak loading towards industrial estate = 09 pax

* Peak loading towards Tampines = 14 pax

* Bus in front = 08 min (DD). This bus crossed at Tampines Ave 10 in opposite direction. Had only 1 pax on upper deck.

* DDs are totally wasted. I would suggest LTA rather deploy full fleet DDs on 129. 127 can even do with mini buses.

These 3 DDs can goes to 129 and take 3 Citaro instead.

SMB42P SG

new DD downroutes for 975 added since last week

saw a almost full upper deck and full lower deck 975 DD arriving lot 1 few days back in the morning

is it the bus that arrive Lot 1 bus stop around 645am? Dun recall seeing a DD 975 at that timing there but spotted it ystd...

SMB5007J SG

is it the bus that arrive Lot 1 bus stop around 645am? Dun recall seeing a DD 975 at that timing there but spotted it ystd...

yes

after 5-6 weeks of high loading on 975 on school days they finally added more DD trips at earlier timing

SMB5007J SG

Which part of 975 that not passable to DD?

i believe it's old lck rd, lor rusuk and the part of lck road where it becomes a one lane road

BusAnalayzer SG

i believe it's old lck rd, lor rusuk and the part of lck road where it becomes a one lane road

975 does not have any height restriction. It is just that LCK has no much developments there and the buses usually have very Low loading except for few peak hour trips. Hence DDS don't really make sense (especially when smrt is still struggling with Hc buses).

array88 SG

Sunday night observations at Bukit Timah Rd (Little India MRT) towards Woodlands Road, between 2110 hrs and 2215 hrs

There seems to be some disagreements in this forum regarding the utility of 170, so I went to observe its loading from Little India (together with all other services there). I thought the peak would be at night from 10pm onwards, but it seems that I'm wrong - it's probably much earlier at 6-8pm instead.

Some of these figures below are just estimations and may be extremely inaccurate, as there are usually multiple buses arriving at this bus stop together, and it's also hard for me to count the no. of pax on the upper decks of DDs. (My method of estimation on DDs: Check no. of people on the left side of upper deck, assume same no. of ppl on both sides, then plus those on lower deck)

Note: The previous bus stop (Rochor MRT) has slightly less pax boarding, but still significant.

2110 67 SD: [+0] 5
2111 170A SD: [+16] 24
2111 170 SD: [+20-1] 21 (A crowd just crossed the road after prev. 170A left, hence still have 20 pax boarding. They are probably not travelling to JB)
2113 851 SD: [+6-1] 26
2113 66 DD: [+5] est.25~30
2115 48 SD: [+13-2] 19
2115 980 SD: [+22] 35~40 (~8 standees)
2117 56 SD: [+5-2] 17
2117 960 DD: [+25-2] est.65
2117 67 DD: [+3-1] est.22
(A word on 67: Apparently most loading is not from Little India MRT, but Serangoon Rd/Jln Besar. But yes it does seem to be hit badly by DTL2)
2122 57 SD: [+5-5] 15
2122 851 SD: [+6-4] 20
2124 170A SD: [+9] 16
2125 980 SD: [+15] est.30~40
2126 166 DD: [+8-1] est.35
2127 66 DD: [+11] est.30
2128 48 SD: [+?] 14 (Was not able to count no. of pax boarding, as I was blocked by 66 in front)
2129 170 SD: [+9] 26
2129 67 SD: [+7] 27
2131 960 DD: [+43-5] est.73
2132 67 DD: [+11-1] est.26
2135 166 DD: [+18] est.25~30
2135 56 SD: [+8] est.30
2136 57 SD: [??] est.24
2136 851 SD: [+2-3] est.30
2137 980 SD: [+18-3] est.50
2138 48 SD: [-6] 3
2138 66 DD: [+19] est.40
2138 67 SD: [+2] 9
2139 56 SD: [+3] 8
2140 960 DD: [+36] est.50~60
2140 851 SD: [+5] est.15
2141 66 DD: [+1-2] est.5~10
2141 170A SD: [+14-1] 28
2142 66 DD: [+1] est.4~7
2145 67 SD: [+2-5] 9
2145 166 DD: [+13] est.30~35
2146 980 SD: [+19-6] 43
2148 48 SD: [+5-3] 16
2148 960 DD: [+21] est.55~60
2149 57 SD: [+14-1] 28
2150 66 DD: [+7-5] est.18~25
2153 67 DD: [-1] est.27~33
2155 56 SD: [+6-5] 22
2155 980 SD: [+25-1] 35~40
2155 851 SD: [+7] 30~35
2157 48 SD: [+1-4] 8
2158 960 DD: [+32-2] est.65
2159 66 DD: [+3] 15~20
2159 166 SD: [+12] 23
2200 980 SD: [+10] 24
2201 67 DD: [+5-2] est.20~25
2203 170A SD: [+6-4] 14~17
2204 851 SD: [+5] 32
2206 960 SD: [+10-2] 22
2207 980 SD: [+12-6] 19
2209 66 DD: [+13-3] est.35
2210 56 SD: [+4-1] 12
2212 57 SD: [+8-10] 24~29
2212 980 SD: [+8] 26~29
2214 48 SD: [??] 5~10
2214 170 SD: [+10-2] 30
2214 166 SD: [+12] 25~30
2215 67 DD: [+11-1} 37

I stopped recording here because: 1) Loading seems to be dying (maybe it will pick up again at 11pm or so, but I really don't know); 2) I was tired and wanted some rest.

My conclusions:
- Even with erratic frequency, 170/A still has SD loading only. Loading might be better from 6-8pm but I'm not sure.
- 67 has been hit heavily by DTL2 - what I observed was actually SD loading. Guess DDs are there for the Tampines-Little India sector with better loading.
- 960 has also been impacted. Previously bendies and DDs would be packed to the door. (Maybe it's due to the wrong timing)
- 980 seems to be doing quite well. In fact it has the best loading among the SD services.

Recommendations:
- It does make sense for 170 to be cut to Bukit Panjang Int, provided if there's still space.
- However, if that is done, there needs to be fleet addition for 960 on weekends. Based on my knowledge, most Indian workers take 170 to their dorms between BPJ and Kranji, so they will turn to 960. From above, 960 currently has 60-70 pax between 9-10 pm, and with pax from 170, it can easily hit 90-100 pax.
- The remaining pax travelling to Bt Timah Rd / Upp Bt Timah Rd can take 67, which will improve its utility between CCK and Little India.

Just my two cents worth.

BusAnalayzer SG

Sunday night observations at Bukit Timah Rd (Little India MRT) towards Woodlands Road, between 2110 hrs and 2215 hrs

Note: The previous bus stop (Rochor MRT) has slightly less pax boarding, but still significant.

I stopped recording here because: 1) Loading seems to be dying (maybe it will pick up again at 11pm or so, but I really don't know); 2) I was tired and wanted some rest.

Just my two cents worth.

Your observations are similar to mine. I thought weekend loading would be better as some claimed, but doesn't seem so. Please note 6-8pm is definitely not the peak loading as workers will eat dinner and leave between 8-10 pm from Little India area.

It is simple, most of them now take DTL2 to BPJ. Those who want to take bus opt for 960. Hence, you still see high loading on 960. 66/67 loading is poor. Your estimates are higher, because if you ever notice more people sit on the left of upper deck than on the right side. So you can still reduce some numbers. 170/A as I have always said will have some 20-30 pax throughout its route until it hits BPJ. + once 171, 961 kick in along the way, loading gets even further split.

BusAnalayzer SG

Sunday night observations at Bukit Timah Rd (Little India MRT) towards Woodlands Road, between 2110 hrs and 2215 hrs

Note: The previous bus stop (Rochor MRT) has slightly less pax boarding, but still significant.

I stopped recording here because: 1) Loading seems to be dying (maybe it will pick up again at 11pm or so, but I really don't know); 2) I was tired and wanted some rest.

Just my two cents worth.

carbikebus SG

loadings for 170 from Ban San To Woodlands Rd quite low leh

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on svc 170 from Little India MRT @ 17.25 Mon 27/02

Little India MRT -- 23 (11/-2)

Dunearn/Bukit Timah Road -- 25 (-1/3), 26 (-2/3), 22 (-6/2) it took the bus 09 minutes to cross Newton Circus, 23 (-3/4), 23 (-3/3), 22 (-1/0), 22 (-2/2), 21 (-3/2) Stevens MRT, 19 (-2/0), 21 (0/2), 21 (-4/4) Botanic Gardens MRT, 23 (-1/3), 20 (-4/1), 17 (-3/0) Tan Kah Kee MRT, 22 (0/5), 25 (0/3), 24 (-3/2) Sixth Avenue, 22 (-2/0), 25 (0/3), 24 (-3/2), 31 (-2/9) King Albert MRT, 32 (-1/2)

* Please note from the start till reaching Jalan Anak Bukit, average loading is = 22 pax, peak loading - 32 pax (only last 2 stops of Bukit Timah), consistent with what I have been saying

Jalan Anak Bukit -- 34 (-5/7)

Upper Bukit Timah Road -- 35 (-6/7) Beauty World, 31 (-6/2), 29 (-4/2) Bef Old Jurong Road, 28 (-1/0), 26 (-4/2) aft Hume, 26 (-2/2), 28 (-2/4) Hillview MRT, 26 (2/0), 26 (-1/1), 27 (-2/3) Cashew MRT, 25 (-2/1), 24 (-1/0)

* 973 was waiting to turn left from Hume when 170 crossed it. Less than 5 pax on board. It overtook 170 at Hillview with only 2 people on board.

Bukit Panjang MRT -- 44 (-8/28)

** Time check: bus in front = (14 min), bus behind = (15 min,28 min (+13) )

** 961 (06 min), bus behind (05 min, 14 min (+09) )

** 178 (06 min), bus behind (11 min, 23min (+12) )

** 67 (03 min), bus behind (03 min, 11 min (+08) )

** 171 (07 min), bus behind (03 min, 12 min (+09) )

Woodlands Road -- 46 (-2/4), 47 (-1/2). I alighted here. Was too bored already!!

Loading in Bukit Timah = 17 to 32 pax

Loading in Upper Bukit Timah = 24 to 35 pax.

** Hope this explains... also note that there wasn't any bus right in front, so 170 got bulk of the loading here.

carbikebus SG

Loading on svc 170 from Little India MRT @ 17.25 Mon 27/02

Little India MRT -- 23 (11/-2)

* Please note from the start till reaching Jalan Anak Bukit, average loading is = 22 pax, peak loading - 32 pax (only last 2 stops of Bukit Timah), consistent with what I have been saying

Jalan Anak Bukit -- 34 (-5/7)

* 973 was waiting to turn left from Hume when 170 crossed it. Less than 5 pax on board. It overtook 170 at Hillview with only 2 people on board.

Bukit Panjang MRT -- 44 (-8/28)

** Time check: bus in front = (14 min), bus behind = (15 min,28 min (+13) )

** 961 (06 min), bus behind (05 min, 14 min (+09) )

** 178 (06 min), bus behind (11 min, 23min (+12) )

** 67 (03 min), bus behind (03 min, 11 min (+08) )

** 171 (07 min), bus behind (03 min, 12 min (+09) )

Woodlands Road -- 46 (-2/4), 47 (-1/2). I alighted here. Was too bored already!!

Loading in Bukit Timah = 17 to 32 pax

Loading in Upper Bukit Timah = 24 to 35 pax.

** Hope this explains... also note that there wasn't any bus right in front, so 170 got bulk of the loading here.

Candidate to start from Gali Batu-Larkin instead?

BusAnalayzer SG

Candidate to start from Gali Batu-Larkin instead?

No should be BPJ - Larkin unless DTL2 is extended to Gali Batu which I don't think is possible.

lemon1974 SG

No should be BPJ - Larkin unless DTL2 is extended to Gali Batu which I don't think is possible.

But it seem like that there are lot of stopping at bus stops. Overall the loading is still ok. You can't ask for each bus to be full or expect to chop that bus service just because it carry 20-30 paxes ? There are alternative but frequency for sv67/961 are also erratic.

And u did not mention 170A? So no 170A bus at all ?

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