Loading level on buses (Part 2)

last SG · 2016-03-21T01:45:53+00:00

118 getting more loadings during peak hours,Am peak saw a fully seated DD with at least 20 standees while PM saw a DD with fully seated and a few standees wh...

dupdup77 SG

No should be BPJ - Larkin unless DTL2 is extended to Gali Batu which I don't think is possible.

Hi mr busanalyser, 170 is unlikely to start from BPJ due to the tight spaces in BPJ interchange. Cheers. Thanks.

dupdup77 SG

But it seem like that there are lot of stopping at bus stops. Overall the loading is still ok. You can't ask for each bus to be full or expect to chop that bus service just because it carry 20-30 paxes ? There are alternative but frequency for sv67/961 are also erratic.

And u did not mention 170A? So no 170A bus at all ?

Hi mr lemon1974, MRT may have stolen 170 loading which has sort of dropped a bit significantly as compared to the days where there is no MRT. However, this does not mean the route will be shortened. Cheers. Thanks.

BusAnalayzer SG

And u did not mention 170A? So no 170A bus at all ?

170A did not show on my app.

The discussion was on which services to rationalize for DTL2. Every bus gets 20-30 pax during peak hours so that's what I said before. If that's the logic, then no need for any rationalization!!

AJQZC SG

Perhaps can do some loading observation on 160 too? See if there is significant demand from Gali Batu / YT area to across the border. That can probably help to determine the importance of 170 for that sector.

BusAnalayzer SG

I am more interested in tha BPJ - Bukit Timah sector that has an exodus of services 67, 170/A, 171, 178, 961 running in parallel and all with 20-30 pax... 160 route is unique... I wouldnt touch it.

Sbs6750E SG

And u did not mention 170A? So no 170A bus at all ?

Furthermore 171 will be cut = one less svc for that stretch.

Sbs6750E SG

170A did not show on my app.

The discussion was on which services to rationalize for DTL2. Every bus gets 20-30 pax during peak hours so that's what I said before. If that's the logic, then no need for any rationalization!!

You should download SG Bus Leh instead. Show SWT services and 3 bus timings some more.

array88 SG

Some observations on 961 from Queensway to Bukit Timah (slightly after evening peak):

- Most pax were long-distance travelers from Bukit Merah (or even city) to Bukit Timah and beyond. There were minimum boarding and alighting activities along Queensway and Farrer Rd. However, 1/4 of pax alighted at Tan Kah Kee DTL.

- Loading stayed at around 30 pax all the way up to TKK. Considering that it was already past 7am when I boarded, loading at 5-6pm may be higher.

- Even if 961 is to be rationalized, the link between Bukit Timah and city (or at least Bukit Merah) needs to be preserved.

AJQZC SG

Some observations on 961 from Queensway to Bukit Timah (slightly after evening peak):

- Loading stayed at around 30 pax all the way up to TKK. Considering that it was already past 7am when I boarded, loading at 5-6pm may be higher.

- Even if 961 is to be rationalized, the link between Bukit Timah and city (or at least Bukit Merah) needs to be preserved.

Two ideas I can think of to rationalize 961 -- either:

(1) Cut/split the sector north of Bt Timah (say, around Beauty World); this can be in the form of merging with 41, 67 (split) or some other method. Downside is the increased load on 170/178/960 at Mandai;

(2) Make a stretch along either UBT Rd or Woodlands Rd or both express and allow transfer to 170/178 around UBT. Both would improve frequency reliability and reduce duplication to some extent.

Btw any further discussions of this should be at the DTL2 rationalization thread, so best be back to topic.

BusAnalayzer SG

Two ideas I can think of to rationalize 961 -- either:

(2) Make a stretch along either UBT Rd or Woodlands Rd or both express and allow transfer to 170/178 around UBT. Both would improve frequency reliability and reduce duplication to some extent.

Btw any further discussions of this should be at the DTL2 rationalization thread, so best be back to topic.

Not sure why 961 should be rationalized. Route quite unique and will inconvenience more pax when there are other services running in parallel to other services and DTL2 that should be first considered for rationalization.

BusAnalayzer SG

Loading on sv 700 SD @ 17.20 hours from Stamford St.

Stamford St -- 15 (0/3), 16 (-3/4), 16 (-3/3)

Dhoby Ghaut MRT -- 30 (-1/15)

Penang Road -- 33 (-1/4)

Somerset MRT -- 37 (-4/8)

Orchard Turn -- 40 (-1/4), 45 (0/5)

Scotts Road -- 55 (-5/15), 58 (0/3), 66 (-2/10) Newton MRT

time check: bus in front = 12 min, bus behind = 11 mins.

Dunearn/BT Road -- 70 (-1/5) bus packed to door but no one left behind, 60 (-10/0), 46 (-16/2), 43 (-5/2), 42 (-4/3) Stevens MRT

* 36 pax alighted along Dunearn Road

Whitley Road -- 43 (-6/7)

PIE

Petir Road -- 45 (0/2), 46 (-2/3), 35 (-15/4), 33 (-6/4)

Pending Road -- 18 (-18/3)

Bukit Panjang Road -- 18 (-2/2), 14 (-4/0)

** sv 700 still has considerable loading along Orchard-Stevens-Bukit Panjang. I am not sure why they want to rationalize 700. In fact, 700 is still operating with 4 DDs.

** Unlike other Bukit Timah services that hover around 20-30 pax, and we say still should not be rationalized, 700 is in fact getting on average 40-45 pax and even touches 70 pax (DD worthy) at Newton

** The above loading could be a one off, but the frequency seems consistent at 10-12 mins/bus. So unlike 190/972 is not coming at 03-05 mins frequency.

** There isn't high loading (just 10 pax) in total between Petir Road and BPJ, so not sure why they needed one more service 973 to cover this.

carbikebus SG

Loading on sv 700 SD @ 17.20 hours from Stamford St.

Stamford St -- 15 (0/3), 16 (-3/4), 16 (-3/3)

Dhoby Ghaut MRT -- 30 (-1/15)

Penang Road -- 33 (-1/4)

Somerset MRT -- 37 (-4/8)

Orchard Turn -- 40 (-1/4), 45 (0/5)

Scotts Road -- 55 (-5/15), 58 (0/3), 66 (-2/10) Newton MRT

time check: bus in front = 12 min, bus behind = 11 mins.

Dunearn/BT Road -- 70 (-1/5) bus packed to door but no one left behind, 60 (-10/0), 46 (-16/2), 43 (-5/2), 42 (-4/3) Stevens MRT

* 36 pax alighted along Dunearn Road

Whitley Road -- 43 (-6/7)

PIE

Petir Road -- 45 (0/2), 46 (-2/3), 35 (-15/4), 33 (-6/4)

Pending Road -- 18 (-18/3)

Bukit Panjang Road -- 18 (-2/2), 14 (-4/0)

** sv 700 still has considerable loading along Orchard-Stevens-Bukit Panjang. I am not sure why they want to rationalize 700. In fact, 700 is still operating with 4 DDs.

** The above loading could be a one off, but the frequency seems consistent at 10-12 mins/bus. So unlike 190/972 is not coming at 03-05 mins frequency.

** There isn't high loading (just 10 pax) in total between Petir Road and BPJ, so not sure why they needed one more service 973 to cover this.

More or less I think they won't touch..But can terminate at Shenton Way all days and 700A withdrawn

AJQZC SG

Loading on sv 700 SD @ 17.20 hours from Stamford St.

Stamford St -- 15 (0/3), 16 (-3/4), 16 (-3/3)

Dhoby Ghaut MRT -- 30 (-1/15)

Penang Road -- 33 (-1/4)

Somerset MRT -- 37 (-4/8)

Orchard Turn -- 40 (-1/4), 45 (0/5)

Scotts Road -- 55 (-5/15), 58 (0/3), 66 (-2/10) Newton MRT

time check: bus in front = 12 min, bus behind = 11 mins.

Dunearn/BT Road -- 70 (-1/5) bus packed to door but no one left behind, 60 (-10/0), 46 (-16/2), 43 (-5/2), 42 (-4/3) Stevens MRT

* 36 pax alighted along Dunearn Road

Whitley Road -- 43 (-6/7)

PIE

Petir Road -- 45 (0/2), 46 (-2/3), 35 (-15/4), 33 (-6/4)

Pending Road -- 18 (-18/3)

Bukit Panjang Road -- 18 (-2/2), 14 (-4/0)

** sv 700 still has considerable loading along Orchard-Stevens-Bukit Panjang. I am not sure why they want to rationalize 700. In fact, 700 is still operating with 4 DDs.

** The above loading could be a one off, but the frequency seems consistent at 10-12 mins/bus. So unlike 190/972 is not coming at 03-05 mins frequency.

** There isn't high loading (just 10 pax) in total between Petir Road and BPJ, so not sure why they needed one more service 973 to cover this.

Loading increased throughout last year? Seems it wasn't so high in demand around the same time last year.

I wonder if the introduction of 973 suggest that they're considering making 700 a peak hour service and merging it with 971E...

array88 SG

Happened to take 252 the other day so jotted down the loading.

dupdup77 SG

More or less I think they won't touch..But can terminate at Shenton Way all days and 700A withdrawn

Hi mr carbikebus, the trend now is new bus services. Not really into rationalization. I believe rationalization is only last resort. When I see people even talking about rationalization for popular services here, I am shocked. Cheers. Thanks.

Sbs6750E SG

Ya lor Circle Line no rationalisation mah.

TIB 585L SG

The most i heard capacity downgrade for CCL

61 n 93 got them

carbikebus SG

The most i heard capacity downgrade for CCL

61 n 93 got them

61 from 4 O405G,To 2 O405G,To 3 DD & 1 O405G and now got 5 DD you call downgrade?

carbikebus SG

I think only 171 cut short to BBT and a new svc from Marina centre to BPJ(Loop) to improve reliability..171 notorious known for their reliability...

TIB 585L SG

61 from 4 O405G,To 2 O405G,To 3 DD & 1 O405G and now got 5 DD you call downgrade?

61 have more than 4 bendies when CCL just opened. I was talking about when it just opened not now. Now they upgrade the slots. Even 700 from 2 DD to 1 DD to 4 DD and 0 bendies

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