Well, it's already managed to lose this once.... let's see if
the second attempt succeeds.
Hi Bangulzai,
Here is the next lot of questions.
The question which was lost for the previous posting is now
included in this list.
Thanks.
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#) You wrote 做蜀下 = all at once /
to get together.
Why not 做一下? Are you using
the 蜀
to write “chit” in
order to distinguish it from 一 “it4”, or
is it meant to be a different word?
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#) “hong-hiam” and
“chut-siaN”
i kong: se-cun a, i kong: wa ti
siauN, na-si kong ci(t) jit, wa hong-hiam si,
na-kong wa chut-siaN, hO lau-hO ka wa si. a-si bo,
thO-hui phah wa si. a-si bo, hO bE-chia long-tioh wa,
hong-hiam si.
= “He said: Revered One, he said:
I was thinking, if say one day I die a
<violent> death, like say, I
<leave the city?>, [and] I get bitten to
death by a tiger. Or else, I’m beaten to death by a bandit. Or
else, I’m hit by a chariot, and I die a
<violent> death.
My questions
are:
1. “hong-hiam” apparently means
“dangerous”, but a “dangerous death” doesn’t make much sense in
English. Would a “violent death” be a reasonable
translation?
2. Is “chut-siaN”
出城 “to
leave the city”? “出城” yields nearly
2,000,000 hits on Google.
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#)
“u7-tan(g)-si5”: 有<X>?時 (=
“sometimes”) and
“kong5”.
cin-nia ce lang, i-lang
u-tan(g)-si bo beng-pek hut-li, lang2 kiaN5
bo-tioh e lO liau, liau, khO lai e si, lang2 toh
kong5 liau la.
= “Many people, they sometimes don’t
understand Buddhist teaching, [if] we have been walking the wrong
road, then, when suffering comes, we are
<kong5>.”
My questions
are:
1. What is the character for
“tan” or “tang” here? The
sandhi-tone is tone-3 or tone-7. This is quite a common way of
saying “sometimes” in Penang.
2. What does “kong5” mean, and
what is the character for it? I only know “to rush” for “kong5”,
but that doesn’t quite fit the context. Perhaps it means “we are in
a hurry to try and get rid of the suffering”?
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#) “chit1(sandhi-tone)-tho5” or
“tit1(sandhi-tone)-tho5”
This is the well-known Hokkien
word for “to play” (as in children). Do you know the characters for
it?
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#) The names of some Buddhist
texts and “gO-cheng”
te-it ca e keng - tui wa-lang e nan2-chuan2 - hut
kong cha-put-to gO-cheng e keng. ti CI-le gO-e
keng: “chang2 bu4”, “zhong1 bu4”, “xiang1-yin1
bu4”, “zheng1/4-zi4 bu4” -
gO-cheng e keng.
I think all 5 of the above are
quoted from Mandarin, so the tone numbers here are Mandarin tone
numbers, not POJ ones.
1. What are these texts:
“chang2 bu4”,
“zhong1 bu4”, “xiang1-yin1 bu4”, “zheng1/4-zi4
bu4”?
2. What is the “Nan2-Chuan2”?
I
think I may have worked out what “nan2-chuan2” is. In www.buddhism-dict.net/
I managed to find this
reference:
Article title 部派佛教 Nikāya
Buddhism
A name for the sectarian form of
Buddhism that developed in India starting from the time around 100
years after the passing of Śākyamuni, during the reign of King
Aśoka. The first major division was between the conservative
(Sthaviravāda/Theravāda) 上座部 and the
progressive Mahāsāṃghikas
大衆部. These
two main groups further split into smaller sects, distinguished
from each other mainly by their variant interpretations of the
Buddhist doctrine, and especially the rules of discipline. Accounts
of the nature of this schismatic process, and the exact names and
number of schools varies according to the source. According to the
account of the so-called Northern tradition (北傳,
北傳分派說) the
two main divisions branched into twenty sub-sects
小乘二十部, and
according to the Southern tradition, (南傳,
南傳分派說),
eighteen 小乘十八部.Also
諸部.
[cmuller]
What do you think of
this?
3. I’m puzzled by the
“gO-cheng e
keng”. Surely he doesn’t mean that there were
5,000 sutras? I’m wondering if perhaps “cheng” is another measure
word, so there were 5 (earliest) sutras?
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#) “nie4-tuan2”.
Everywhere, the speaker says “nie4-pan2” for
“nirvana”, but at one single spot, he says
“nie4-tuan2” (where the meaning “nirvana” would
fit). Could this be a mispronunciation, or is there another term
“nie4-tuan2” with a related or similar meaning?
Here also, “nie4-pan2” and
“nie4-tuan2” are pinyin, with Mandarin
tones.
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#) What does
“lu1/5/7-lai5” mean in the following
sentence?
“in-ui i-lang khuaN-tioh
lu-lai ai jip nie-pan liau, liau i-lang
cun-keng”
= “Because
they have seen that <lu1/5/7-lai5> is going to
enter Nirvana, and [they wish to express] their
reverence”.
As explained earlier, I hear
“lu3(sandhi-tone)-lai5”, so I don’t know what the citation of “lu”
should be. Could “lu-lai” mean “soon” or something
like that? Or is it a noun - another word for the
Buddha?
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#)
“kok8(sandhi-tone)-thau5”. The
word “kok” is a bit unclear on the recording - it might be
something else.
“hut kong: he-le si ciaN-ciaN
kuan-kip e cun-keng. cin-nia ce lang5..., lang2 siauN lang2 khi
cun-keng hut, liau khi
<kok4>-thau5, he-le si
cun-keng ... he-le si ha-kip e cun-keng”
= “The
Buddha said: that is a truly high [level of] reverence. Many
people..., we think we go and revere the Buddha, and go and
<knock our head (on the ground)>???, that is
reverence... [but no,] that is a low [level of]
reverence”
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#) “seng1 a1
lO5-han3”
“i-e tO-te cin-nia ce e,
seng a-lO-han liau, i kam-guan, i
ka jip nie-pan.
= “his
disciples, after many of them had become arhats,
[only then] was he satisfied, [only then] did he
enter Nirvana.”
I think the meaning is clear
enough to me, but is “seng a-lO-han” 生阿羅漢 or
升阿羅漢 or
昇阿羅漢?
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#)
“k(h)a-huat”
hut e k(h)a-huat
haN, si bueh lang2 kiaN5 ho e lO
= “The
Buddha’s <kha-huat> is to want us to walk
the proper path.”
I think this is
教法, but
the speaker seems to say “kha” instead of “ka”. If
it is meant to be 教, then I should
explain that 教
is pronounced “kah4” in Penang, and often the “-h”
is dropped in non-final position, so it would end up sounding like
“ka55(sandhi-tone)-” (here I’m writing五度音阶标音). Soothill
gives 教法
as “the teaching of the Buddha”, so
佛的教法 is a
bit redundant, but does still make sense. The only thing I can’t
explain is the “kh-” instead of “k-”. Is there another word, with
“kh-” which might make sense in this context?
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#)
“hong1/5/7-kau3”
My mother tells me that she’s very
familiar with this word, and that it means “Christianity” in
general, not “Catholicism”, which is “thien-cu-kau”.
My questions
are:
1. What is the character for
“hong” in this context? Is it 奉?
2. If so, why can’t I find any
references to 奉教
in Google? Is it only used in Hokkien? Is it only
used in Malaysian/Singaporean Hokkien?
#)
“tiam2-siaN1” =
“time”, as in “time”, as in “i bo kang e
tiam-siaN” = “at the time that he has no work”.
I can’t find the characters for
this. Are they點聲
– this would seem logical, but it surprises me that
I can’t find it in Douglas or Barclay?
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OK. That’s it for the moment. Hope
you can help. Thanks.
