What did they win in 2006 ?
Did they win a political war or even a military one over
Israel ?
They won the political mandate
from the people of Gaza. It is Israel and Fatah who have refused to
recognise the legitimately elected government of the
Palestinians.
Did Hamas win any political mandate from the people of Gaza, or
did Hamas win a pyrrhic victory that resulted in a larger loss to
the Palestinian people as a whole ?
Hamas supposed political victory at the 2006 elections was
a result that had
Hamas winning only 44.45% and Fatah 41.43% - with the
remaining percentage held by independents.
It was sheer dumbness on the Palestinian population as a whole
to wilfully snub the international communities' views towards Hamas
by electing Hamas into power; only to see the required
international funding stopped to prevent the funds going into the
hands of Hamas - known for their terrorists activities, and for
their refusal to renounce the destruction of another sovereign
state.
The World should simply step aside and let the Palestinians and
Arabs resolve the mess that they have created for
themselves.
For one who claim others for refusing to look at information
that is contrary to pre-conceptions - you seem to be indulging in
double standards that begin with you depending on propaganda for
your facts.
As I pointed out, "propaganda" is
simply "an organised effort to promote a particular belief or
doctrine" (How many times has it been?). Of course
I would depend on propaganda. You don't? You depend on a blank
intellect (does that even exist?) to make a judgement?
If you possess any intellect, can intellect be "blank" ?
Is it not odd that you will question your own statement if
"blank intellect exist" ?
If you are incapable to prevent yourself from taking a
dispassionate views of events, filter out all the propaganda, see
the issues in their stark bare facts without all the
other peripheral emotional issues and images - can you even know
how to stay neutral and make fair comments to the issues at hand
?
Do you understand what “Propaganda” is about ?
Is it as simple as you claim in the interpretation given
for your understanding of "propaganda" ?
Even then Israel had only responded to the rocket and motar
attacks by returning fire to the points of origins of
the rocket and motar firing spots, and these were located
intentionally by the Hamas leadership in the middle of
dense Palestinian living areas.
So its the "Hamas always returns
to the scene of the crime" logic? Does the Israeli military thinks?
If Hamas fires a rocket from somewhere, would they even stay in
that same place? All this strategic wisdom just gets hundreds of
civilians killed.
Do you think that Hamas can hide itself from the drones that are
in the air 24 / 7 / 365 and have been capturing images
of the activities of Hamas or some unaffiliated
insurgents ?
Secondly, would it not be logical for Hamas to be unable to run
away from the purposefully selected firing sites for their weapon
systems, considering their lack of military training, and nil
military strategies ?
Finally, if their objective is to gain victory in the propaganda
war against Israel, and to create international outrage towards
Israel - would they not locate their activities in the midst of
dense concentration of Palestinian residential areas ?
Which is what is happening.....
It is easy to shout "War Crimes" - but wild rhetoric with
fiery sights then to blind the abilities to see facts on the
ground.
If War Crimes are to be instituted, the Hamas leadership
will be the first to be dragged to stand trial - firstly for the
illegitimate overthrow of an elected Palestinian Government in the
Gaza Strip; secondly for the killing and imprisonment of duly
elected officials of the Palestinian Government for the Gaza Strip
under President Abbas; and third for the deliberate firing of
rockets and motar attacks into Israeli civilian residential areas,
schools, and public areas; and fourth for the contravening of the
Geneva Codes of War by using clearly designated neutral faclities
for the storage of weapons, ammunition and training of personnels
that included civilian homes, hospitals, religious sites, schools
and others.
My heart bleeds for the innocent lives loss, but it
stops bleeding for the hypocritical cries of those who support
Hamas deliberate and unprovoked acts of war on the innocent
lives of others.
Israel do not necessary need to prove that "might is right"
- and is clearly resorting to the Middle-eastern tradition upheld
by Islam's conservativism and fundamentalist religious practises in
the "Principle of an Eye for an Eye".
Clearly those outside of the Middle-eastern region do not
understand nor appreciate nor accept such value systems - does that
make anyone in the UN qualified to pass judgment as to what
constitute a War Crime ?
It will make you better off as a Singapore to be less
involved due to your lop sided understanding of Human Rights that
is colored by a lop sided Singapore humanities and value
system.
Aren't you a Singaporean who have
passed through the same education system? Are you saying that
you're more qualified than the UN to make a judgement on "war
crimes". If that is the case, say so.
Am I a Singaporean who have passed through the same education
system ?
Which education system are you referring to ?
Are you referring to the Middle-eastern / Arabic education
system moulded by their centuries old culture and traditions ? Are
you walking at a tangent ?
While we have evolved in our vlaues and life styles - the Arabs
seems to be trapped by the fundamentalist and extreme conservatists
that mould their minds and trap them in the age old religious
teachings.
They prefer to allow themselves to be led by fundamentalists and
conservatists, rather then by those who are educated and who
are modernists from amongst their younger generations.
Closer to home, we see our neighbors imitating the
Middle-eastern fundamentalists and conservatists - simply
to gain influence and control the minds of the rural uneducated
folks, who are easily impressed by seemingly authoritative
views from voices that pretend to be firm, strong, and forceful -
but bankrupt of ideas to bring their community forward in this 21st
Century.
In this day and age, despite more the forty years of
independence, these uneducated would prefer to submit themselves
and the larger community to be restricted
by the archaic Hudud Laws based on some vague and archaic
religious precepts.
There is no doubt that Hamas has
committed war crimes, though not for overthrowing the Fatah
government through a legitimate election, but for firing rockets
into Israel. But in the same breath, Israel has also breached that
same Geneva Conventions which you quoted.
"Israel signed the Geneva
Convention on 7th June, 1951. For
the Convention to have any value, Israel must be charged and made
to stand trial in The Hague under the following sections.
Article 3 states "that even where there is not a conflict of
international character the parties must as a minimum adhere to
minimal protections described as: noncombatants, members of armed
forces who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors
de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other
cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, with the
following prohibitions:
(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds,
mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
(b) Taking of hostages;
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and
degrading treatment
(d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions
without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted
court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized
as indispensable by civilized peoples."
Clearly the litany of this list of supposed Israeli
transgressions - as listed above and below - is a repeat
of all that the Arab world had uselessly and impotently propagated
for the last sixty years, and you have taken the easy option to
merely regurgitate shamelessly despite claims to being a neutral
Singaporean observer.
Are you sufficiently familiar with the Geneva Convention to make
such comments, or have you simply regurgitate mindlessly and
undiscernngly what others have posted ?
Are you aware of the contents in the Fourth Geneva Conventions
August 12, 1949 – which Israel signed and ratified on July 6, 1951
? Since then, including after the 1967 war, Israel has not
denounced the Conventions (even as it is permitted by article 158)”
?
(a) Bombing of police stations, schools, ambulances, power
plants and hospitals are designed to murder civilians
indiscriminately.
(b) Israel's routine abduction of men, women and children
in to Israeli detention camps. The
number of such prisoners is 700,000 since 1967.
(c) Israeli soldiers routinely prevent
pregnant women from receiving proper hospital treatment resulting
in infant mortality, miscarriages and death.
(d) Israel's "targeted killings" of Hamas
leaders constitutes murder.
Article 33 states "No protected person may be punished for an
offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective
penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism
are prohibited.
Pillage is prohibited.
Reprisals against protected persons and their property are
prohibited."
The unrelenting and merciless collective punishment of the
Palestinian people has taken the form of..
(a)
Destruction of Palestinian dwellings to make room for illegal
settlements
(b) Destruction of
Olive groves on Palestinian land and its resultant decimation of
livelihoods.
(c)
Bombing of a Palestinian power station collectively punished
all Gaza inhabitants. Basic sanitation works were severely
impacted.
(d)
Blockading of medical supplies and food which left Palestinians
eating grass for sustenance.
Israel has had resolutions passed against it since 1947 without any
real enforcement. The sequence of resolutions below illustrates the
complete lack of commitment of the United Nations to force Israel
to comply with anything..
Resolution 636: " ... 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of
Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 641: "... 'Deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of
Palestinians.
Resolution 672: "... 'Condemns' Israel for "violence against
Palestinians" at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
Resolution 673: "... 'Deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with
the United Nations.
Resolution 681: "... 'Deplores' Israel's resumption of the
deportation of Palestinians.
Resolution 694: "... 'Deplores' Israel's deportation of
Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate
return.
Resolution 726: " ... 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of
Palestinians.
Resolution 799: ". . . 'Strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of
413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."
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Israel's War Crimes and "Change we can believe in"
If war crimes are really
prosecuted, then the entire Bush Administration would have already
been sentenced for their 8 years of war crimes, as well as the
Clinton Administration, for their "humanitarian bombing" aka
balkanisation of Yugoslavia and putting into power the mafia
government of Hashim Thaci.
Obviously, might is
right.
If it is so obvious - that might is right, why
has the might of the larger Arab population been unable to
serve their own people but allow a smaller Israeli population to
dominate the politics and military might of the region ?
Is it not typical wild rhetoric to prosecute the entire Bush
Administration, or even the Clintons ? Why did you leave
Russia's Putin out of action -
Why has there been no talk of war crime prosecution towards
Saudi Royal Family for the gross abuse towards their women folks;
or the Iranian systematic enslavement of those deemed as threat to
the State ?
Those that the Israeli Authorities have incarcerated were
known Palestinian terrorists, some of whom were also
prosecuted by the Palestinian Authority or Fatah.
If you cannot fathom the Middle-eastern culture of "returning an
eye for an eye" - you might look better keeping your silence
instead of exposing your weaker side.
After illegally usurping the authority over the Gaza
Strip from the legitimately elected government of President Abbas,
why did the Hamas leadership indulge themselves in the wasteful
acts of aggressions towards Israel - instead of developing their
strengths and stabilising their own future by exploiting the oil
and gas fields lying in the Gaza ?
Did Israel even accord the Gazan
government the same level of sovereignty it enjoys?
Firstly, is there a legitimate Gazan Government after the
legitimate one was overthrown by Hamas ?
Secondly, has any Arab or any country in the Middle-east
recognised Hamas as the legitimate Government ?
Clearly the publicity made about Israel's intention to grab
the Gaza Strip is nothing more then another speculative propaganda
developed by a bankrupt mind that depend on wild imagined
events.
When Israel withdraws from the Gaza Strip after
completing its various missions to discover and destroy all of
Hama's abilities to launch rockets and motars from the Gaza Strip -
the speculators will disingeneously develop another
propaganda.
Obviously I cannot argue against
your superb ESP abilities.
Were you invited to argue against anybody's ESP ?
Are you even capable to argue with yourself ?
