Joo Koon Bus Interchange

last SG · 2014-03-03T22:34:25+00:00

Huh 187 also serve industrial areas meh? :x >< I don't know - which industrial area does it serve?

carbikebus SG

So each service only gets 2 lots?99 is the only service that travel out of Jurong.

BusAnalayzer SG

193 has almost taken 192 route now... wonder why they changed this... 192 could have continued in its current route, and only change could have been made to 193.

BusAnalayzer SG

1 less bus route along Jurong West Avenue 4?:/

Let's see... Jurong West Ave 4 has 4 stops along it. If we go from Pioneer to Boon Lay.

Stop 1: 243G / 193

Stop 2: 193 / 242

Stop 3: 193 / 242

Stop 4: 242

So overall... ave 4 will still have 2 bus services to cater to the loading. Also 242 has got now 8 bus fleet for a small route, so can easily tank the load. I also expect 193 to get more DDs with the change.

BusAnalayzer SG

Most people working in Joo Koon, live around Jurong West / East town for convenience to work place. Hence, route planners have tried to give as much direct connectivity to Joo Koon from these towns as possible.

From east to west:

st 63: 192

st 64: 193, 256, 258

st 61 / 71 / 81 / 82: 258

ave 4: 99 (1st stop), 193 (next 3 stops)

ave 5: No service (1st 2 stops), 99 (next 2 stops)

st 91, 93: 99

Jurong East Town: 99

This way route planners have almost covered all of Jurong West Town... except for few bus stops. So I think bus usage will increase between Boon Lay and Joo Koon due to point to point connection, and MRT use will take a hit between Boon Lay and Joo Koon MRT.

At same time MRT will benefit with more people taking MRT from Joo Koon than Boon Lay. It will see some easing of crowd at Boon Lay interchange as well.

lemon1974 SG

We can look forward to massive BSEP DD registrations for SLBP.

why? only one BSEP service 258 ... dun think sv99 extension is under BSEP as well...

the other 2 new services all can take buses from 182/254/255/257 since their routes are all shortened... .

jurongresident SG

Surprised to see 192 diverted. I thought it would be 193 that would change route while 192 will remain course, as 192 is almost full fleet DD required for ave 4 (especially with one service gone).

243G/W can lose its BSEP buses to 258 once this route kicks in. No need for so many buses on 243G/W.

With regards to 243,

Actually, I notice 243 has been getting additional buses regularly, since around year 2011 when bus services started improving (quarterly) and since 2012 when BSEP started.

I feel that this new 258 is meant to complement 243, rather than substitute.

Hence, I do not think we should reduce the fleet size of 243.

If want, we should replace some DDs with SDs during non-peak hours, and that's about it.

Otherwise, just maintain the fleet size would do.

Another way to see it is that now with this new 258, there is no longer the need to expand 243 bus fleet, any more. :)

I guess there are strong demands for a complementary bus connection to Boon Lay Bus Interchange at Jurong West Street 64/75, and strong demands for a bus connection to Pioneer MRT Station at areas along Pioneer Road North. That's why there is this new 258.

During peak hours, there may be many people taking 258. I think High-Capacity buses are required.

During non-peak hours, there may be only a small number of people taking 258. I think Low-Capacity buses are good enough.

I am not sure if this new 258 would affect the loading on 243.

I think we should maintain 243 bus fleet as it is, at least for the time being. There may be changes in travel patterns and stuff, but let's let everything settle first, before we make any adjustment to 243.

TPS Timothy Mok SG

why? only one BSEP service 258 ... dun think sv99 extension is under BSEP as well...

the other 2 new services all can take buses from 182/254/255/257 since their routes are all shortened... .

Service 258 is weirdly placed as a JIS service .... duhhhh... It will be extended to Upper Jurong Rd, Tuas Rd, Pioneer Rd, Tuas Crescent and loop.

SBS2656X SG

jurongresident SG

Service 258 is weirdly placed as a JIS service .... duhhhh... It will be extended to Upper Jurong Rd, Tuas Rd, Pioneer Rd, Tuas Crescent and loop.

With regards to the part on extension, I do not think it is wise to make the route longer.

258's main target audience is likely the people staying in Jurong West Extension area.

Its main objective is likely to provide connection to Pioneer MRT Station from more areas, complement 243G and 181, while enhance intra-town connection within Jurong West Extension area.

I do not think it is wise to extend the route, as this may affect the likely main objective of 258.

Path Light SG

Service 182/182M, 254 and 255 may start at Joo Koon Bus Interchange instead of Boon Lay Bus Interchange

TIB429E SG

Add 256/258 to BNL for what? -.-"

I rather they combine into 1, start from Joo Koon and detour some parts of the industrial etc. before going Boon Lay. At least some ppl can alight at BNL to take to work.

SBS 9256 X SG

Add 256/258 to BNL for what? -.-"

I rather they combine into 1, start from Joo Koon and detour some parts of the industrial etc. before going Boon Lay. At least some ppl can alight at BNL to take to work.

Agree but I think it is to complement those complains that there is no direct bus to Pioneer MRT instead of travelling to Boon Lay MRT always as Pioneer MRT is nearer for those staying at St 81/71 area

SBS 9256 X SG

Hi mr SBS9256X, why you feel 192, 254 will terminate at joon koon? Why you feel 185 or express 502??? Read carefully their press release. All 8 services (new or amended) have already been announced. Cheers. Thanks.

When I was writing my post, I didn't saw perverted boy's post.. I only saw SBS 7557 R's post. That's why.

Gus.chong SG

With regards to the part on extension, I do not think it is wise to make the route longer.

258's main target audience is likely the people staying in Jurong West Extension area.

Its main objective is likely to provide connection to Pioneer MRT Station from more areas, complement 243G and 181, while enhance intra-town connection within Jurong West Extension area.

I do not think it is wise to extend the route, as this may affect the likely main objective of 258.

258 should be more or less considered as a feeder-trunk hybrid service instead...like 860.

array88 SG

Can I say I'm really disappointed with the route amendments?

I was literally shocked when I saw the posters... Like seriously, what's this? So many route amendments that make no sense...

And why are there still so many services at Boon Lay? I hope 256, 258 will loop at Boon Lay instead of terminating there... If not, it's a total failure of planning.

99: Good.

258: The section between Boon Lay and Pioneer is very good... Will be a major hit in Jurong West. It may even become the next 860 especially during AM peak, as the walking distance from Pioneer MRT to the bus stop is much shorter than from Boon Lay MRT to Boon Lay Int, and there's higher probability of getting seats at Pioneer MRT as compared to Boon Lay.

However, the section between Pioneer and Joo Koon is weird... Other than having a terminating point (if 258 loops at Boon Lay) and connecting Jurong West town with Joo Koon, I don't find it useful in any other ways. And is there such a strong demand between Jurong West and Joo Koon that warrants connection to the doorstep? From my experience, most commuters on JIS (except 246) are foreign workers. How many of them stay in areas where 258 plies?

And why the hell is 258 a JIS when its main demand comes from Jurong West town? (If not, why is it using this service number?) There may even be 258M from Boon Lay looping at Pioneer MRT... Because it's loading will be much higher than the Pioneer - Joo Koon sector.

182/M: Expected.

192 and 193: Again, this doesn't make sense at all... Is it fun to just give 192 a heavily duplicated route from Boon Lay to Joo Koon, and just let 193 take over 192's deleted sectors? I can't think of any reason for 192's amendment - except for a faster journey from Tuas to Pioneer/Boon Lay, which doesn't sound really necessary to me, especially when 192 already calls at the bus stop outside Joo Koon ITH and more than half of the pax already alight there; and faster journey from Upp Jurong Road to Boon Lay, which is again unnecessary. Especially considering 193 is the service with weaker loading and lower capacity than 192, and now 193 has to take all the pax from Lok Yang, Soon Lee Dormitory (there are foreign workers going to Boon Lay, and soon there will be many going to Joo Koon to transfer to 253/254/255/257), and Jurong West Ave 4... How can 193 handle a route with such high loading, when 192 just slacks between Joo Koon and Boon Lay?

257: Expected.

256: Although it's a good service in mantaining 256's link in Jurong West and unique sector along Jln Ahmad Ibrahim, it shows no uniqueness at all... As if it's simply breaking up 257 into 256 and 257. Not sure if people will be happy... Furthermore, judging by the route, 256 may have poor frequency. Which is worrying because it will be the only service from Soon Lee Dormitory to Joo Koon Int (with 193 only calling at the bus stop along Benoi Rd), and also from Soon Lee to Pioneer/Boon Lay. To be honest, I think the route amendments did not consider those workers at all, or to a very limited extent.

254: Expected.

255: Expected.

253 and 251: I want to discuss these 2 services together... Because 251's amendment again doesn't make sense. 253's Benoi Sector part and 251's Boon Lay Way part I can understand... But 251's big loop at Shipyard/Pioneer for what? It appears to me that this kind of amendment is just for profits without considering convenience of commuters. Shipyard Rd now has a bidirectional service, and after the amendment, only unidirectional 251? Same for Pioneer Rd (although they have 253). And Benoi Rd left with 253 which winds along Benoi Sector... Again, I cannot figure out why.

194: Is this a joke? A bird park service being used just to cover the deleted sectors of 251? And expecting all those visitors from Bird Park returning to Boon Lay to cross the road... Moreover Jurong Bird Prk will be moved soon... Then what's the function of 194? Just to serve the few bus stops along Jln Ahmad Ibrahim?

Path Light SG

Can I say I'm really disappointed with the route amendments?

I was literally shocked when I saw the posters... Like seriously, what's this? So many route amendments that make no sense...

And why are there still so many services at Boon Lay? I hope 256, 258 will loop at Boon Lay instead of terminating there... If not, it's a total failure of planning.

99: Good.

182/M: Expected.

257: Expected.

254: Expected.

255: Expected.

258 may be a trunk or JIS Service under BSEP

jurongresident SG

actually, I wonder where at Boon Lay Bus Interchange are they going to put this new bus service 258 - while all the bus services are still at Boon Lay Bus Interchange?

Bus bay area at both end-on and saw-tooth sections are already quite heavily utilised during peak hours. Where got space (and parking lot) for this new bus service?

I guess in the first week, this bus service may not park at Boon Lay Bus Interchange. Instead, it may only loop - Go in, Passengers alight, drive, new Passengers board, exit - at Boon Lay Bus Interchange. It may only park at Joo Koon Bus Interchange, in the first week.

Whereas for the berth, it would be good if 258 and 243G can be together at the same berth, so that the people staying at Street 64, 75 and 81 can (jump-queue and) take whichever bus service that comes first. They can move 179 to the innermost row, move 243G to the middle, and put 258 at the outermost row. 182 can put at the outside row (yellow colour) during that remaining one week at Boon Lay, while we temporarily move 405 to another berth (28 November then move back again, or even give it a proper row at another berth, that is either red, blue or green).

Path Light SG

actually, I wonder where at Boon Lay Bus Interchange are they going to put this new bus service 258 - while all the bus services are still at Boon Lay Bus Interchange?

Bus bay area at both end-on and saw-tooth sections are already quite heavily utilised during peak hours. Where got space (and parking lot) for this new bus service?

Then the boarding boards where 182/182M, 254, 255 and 257 are will be empty when they are moved to Joo Koon Bus Interchange

TIB429E SG

Hmm while googling...

"...not allowed to enter TUAS CIQ by foot.." (http://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=11611)

So maybe CW or SBST should have a new crossborder that runs from JooKoon(or BoonLay) to Legoland(for example) M'sia?

jurongresident SG

Hmm while googling...

"...not allowed to enter TUAS CIQ by foot.." (http://www.ica.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=11611)

So maybe CW or SBST should have a new crossborder that runs from JooKoon(or BoonLay) to Legoland(for example) M'sia?

If want, is use Tuas Bus Terminal and Tuas Link MRT Station. Joo Koon and Boon Lay may each only have space for one future bus service.

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