When a guy says..

last SG · 2007-07-24T11:58:03+00:00

Welcome to the club Cutangle, you've just earned yourself a badge in reality.

ordinaryguy32 SG

Are you saying the current generation of early 20s and below don't know what's love and what's not? If so, do you mean it has anything got to do with MTV, or just plain stress?

By the way, just curious, what is love to you, and what is not love to you?

Ionlytalknoaction SG

Assumption??????????????

I bet my life with you that any guys who get into a uncommited relationships are definitely a player.

Yes I bet with my life to prove that point.

This is not an assumption.

It's logic.

And sometimes love are irrational that stops people from logical thinking.

ordinaryguy32 SG

Originally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:

Assumption??????????????

I bet my life with you that any guys who get into a[b] uncommited relationships are definitely a player.

Yes I bet with my life to prove that point.

This is not an assumption.

It's logic.

And sometimes love are irrational.[/b]

Maybe the term "uncommitted" itself can refer to indecisiveness or the uncommitted type you are talking about.

If it's the latter, I fully agree with you.

Maybe TS's guy is purely indecisive. And that is not too unreasonable a possibility for someone who has just ended a relationship. And we don't know how long that relationship was, and the history of that guy.

Ionlytalknoaction SG

I still don't get your point of agrument.

Let me put it in a simple equation form to you to understand that you are just trying to blur an indecisive guy with a player of girls.

indecisive guys=choices in a relationship

choices in a relationship=2 or more girlfriends to choose from

2 or more girlfriends to choose from=A player

That is not an assumption that the guy is a player.

Logical thinking will get you to the same destination point.

That guy is a player.

You are just trying to blur the line between a player and an indecisive guy.

When in fact they are the same.

BadzMaro SG

Do you see a difference from maybe your counsin or parents time down to you? Are there any differences ? and do you see any other future differences in terms of relationships and love.

What was acceptable before is acceptable now. What was appropriate before is not appropriate now.

MTV is just a marker at where we define a drastic change in social behaviour from the previous years to the years ahead as it did greatly influence the minds of the future generation. Just like how technology influenced our behaviour in the business world.

And your questino to me what is love to me and what is not love.
Its a tough one...mmmm.. maybe the only time i will truly know the feeling and meaning of love is when i lose it.

royale9 SG

Practices change, principles don't

BadzMaro SG

Well u better pray to God that ur practices wont affect your principles. Because principles dont change , but whether it is adopted or not.

BufPuf SG

set your expectation right first.

If you both agree it is a non-commitment thing, than dun harbour any hope.

Cannot afford to 'play' than must stop....

*long time no see u liao!!!~

798 SG

whatever it is, just dun let the guy lay u.

such guy will shi3 luan4 zhong1 qi4 once they have met their goal.

jlzk SG

Well all i have to say is all the best and good luck any doubts better clear it now like what is you to him...Ya..If not things start complicated..not only so maybe not only 1 may get hurt in the process

norm SG

maybe he is implying that he just wants sex. He only wants a sexual relationship with no strings attached. Question

royale9 SG

I think you are confusing principles with beliefs.

Principle is like a rule, standard, law or basic truth.

Belief is like an opinion or impression.

Your comments on the future generations' perception of love. - that is just a belief.

A belief definitely does NOT become true simply because it's fervently believed, or because it is believed by enough people. The believer's certainty is not remotely a guide to whether or not the belief is true.

Yes, the future generation will be different. Their beliefs and practices might differ drastically from present day like you mentioned.

But the one thing that don't change are proven principles drawn from psychology, religion, philosophy, business, economics, politics, history, metaphysics, etc.

Whether the majority choose to adopt them or not is based on their own accord.

That is all to it when i said:

Practices change, principles don't.

Cheers

kerts SG

Fully agree with browniebaobao.

shirurinu, pls read n try to catch wat browniebaobao n jojobeach r trying to say.

kerts SG

To give you an even clearer picture of the whole thing, I will share wif you a true life story.

I have a guy friend, who's a "player" if u know wat I mean. He's quite good looking, n at anyone time he hv at least 3 gals he's having relationships with.

I was amazed how he could manage to pull it off without any gal suspecting anything. Tat's when he told me, he told them tat he's not ready into a real relationship n gave excuses (any excuses), so officially they r not bf/gf. But unofficially they r bf/gf alre. Get wat I mean? Now he has a trump card. So they can't question him where he went or anything else. So the gals all hv a disadvantage jus like u, as time goes by they allow themselves to continue to put in their love n feelings unknowingly, cos officially it's non commitment relationship remember?

Hope u wake up soon b4 it's too late.

qlqq9 SG

Where is TS, disappear is it? Gone to look for the non commital guy!

TinySue SG

The trouble is some of these girls will agree to anything just because they wanted that guy and thought they could handle this kind of situation - that is having sex with no string attached, and hopefully along the way pressured the guy into accepting her as his exclusive.

But the guy refuse to be converted and still wants to maintain their kind of relationship. Now this was where she blew her top and cry foul. All her friends, acquaintances and even strangers think the guy was a bastard and took her side not knowing the full story. On the surface it looked like the guy was at fault but in truth the girl brought this on herself. So, who is to blame?

BadzMaro SG

Yes, there cant be only 1 principle right ? So in the end there is still many choices but wether or not it is allowed to practice. Decay in certain practices can allow other once disfavoured principle to be adopted right ? Maybe i am wrong but thats how i think.

sweet ? Rolling Eyes Or maybe i am not able to comprehend what you are saying. My bad.

jojobeach SG

In this case, it is obviously not 2 weak minds.

It is also very obvious the guy lays the card out very clearly, and that TS is immediately at disadvantage.

U know those signs that says " Enter at your own risk"?

ordinaryguy32 SG

Originally posted by Ionlytalknoaction:

I still don't get your point of agrument.

Let me put it in a simple equation form to you to understand that you are just trying to blur an indecisive guy with a player of girls.

indecisive guys=choices in a relationship

choices in a relationship=2 or more girlfriends to choose from

2 or more girlfriends to choose from=A player

That is not an assumption that the guy is a player.

Logical thinking will get you to the same destination point.

That guy is a player.

You are just trying to blur the line between a player and an indecisive guy.

When in fact they are the same.

[/b]

I see your argument. So if a guy wants to choose from 2 or more girlfriends, he will enter non-committal relationships with both, and that makes him a player.

But what if he's genuinely undecided?
Obviously at that point, a good guy will just stand apart from both of the girls, and make his decision, before plunging into one (no pun intended).

Maybe the key difference here is how far apart he stands from them, before making a decision. If he goes close to either or both of the girls before making a decision and reaping the delights before making any decision, he is a player.

If he doesn't even touch the girls, then maybe he's not.

ordinaryguy32 SG

I see differences in beliefs, which are culturally and socially influenced.

One example, I think it is perfectly alright and cool for couples to kiss on the MRT, and I don't feel embarrassed at people doing it. In fact, I think our society could do with more outward expressions of love. My elders will give disdainful looks, and their faces will look like they've just stepped on a pile of poo.

I didn't know MTV is so popular among early 20s people and teenagers these days.

You're very right in that sometimes only when one loses something, one can then feel how much one actually loves that person/thing. Don't let it happen to you, mate.

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