Loading level on buses

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11-4 pax from Lor 1,Stadium 3 alight then 1 last Stadium stop 7 pax,Sims before terminal 1 boarding all the way to Lor 1Ooh la la...

array88 SG

It will likely remain like that more or less permanently as long as 190/972 maintains their current standard, as folks prefer to take bus since its more direct, more seats, and with less walking.

The only real crowd will come from BPJ area. The Bt Timah Road residents are mostly car owners. The HCJC/NJC students are also mostly ferried in by parents's cars.

I wouldn't say students along Bukit Timah are fetched by their parents' cars... Sometimes you can see buses packed by students in uniform. (Of course that's before DTL2)

array88 SG

Overall loading on DTL2 is still low. Took it this morning. Small train yet quite empty. Frequency around 04 mins.

DTL2's frequency keeps changing.... During the free rides period it was running at a steady 3 mins frequency. A few days after free rides ended frequency became 4 mins. But just this morning (7am+) frequency was 2-3 mins in both directions and was quite consistent. Is it because there's a school holiday schedule or something?

Regarding its loading, maybe it's due to DTL's frequency. Guess LTA/SBST realised the mistake of using 3-car trains for DTL and hence bought excess trains, and thus 2 mins frequency to mitigate the expected huge crowds. If DTL was to run at NEL's frequency or even CCL's frequency, we may see trains packed to the door.

(Also take note that DTL's loading seems to be better in the city, between various interchanges, rather than between Bukit Panjang and the city.)

AJQZC SG

(Also take note that DTL's loading seems to be better in the city, between various interchanges, rather than between Bukit Panjang and the city.)

It's mainly condos and landed properties all the way along the roads of (Upp) Bt Timah Rd and Dunearn Rd, except some HDB estates at Bt Panjang & Beauty World, and schools at TKK & Stevens. Of course we don't get as much demand as NEL.

Though when DTL3 opens, that could be another story.

carbikebus SG

980 really need fleet additional..At least 2 A22s will be enough.

981 also need one more buses,First time i saw 2 DDs packed to the brim during PM peak!Need to extend the timings though.167 need 3 DDs during peak hours.

proudtobeme SG

Serv 47 at 6:20pm from changi business park

bus come with 8 peop on board

changi business park (33)

changi point (52)

changi sth av 1 (58)

xilin avenue (58)

bef tnm mrt (63, 65)

tnm mrt (67) i focus count peop alight = 31 peop. peop board = 33 peop. so from two observation clear peop alight tnm almost = peop board tnm

bdk sth av 3 (68)

bdk sth rd (69, 63, 57, 56)

bdk sth av 1 (55, 46)

mp rd (46, 45, 38, 36, 35, 30, 29, 20, 16)

amber rd (15)

east coast rd (13, 16, 14)

still rd (12)

mp rd (14, 15, 15, 12, 13, 14)

bdk sth av 1 (14, 14)

bdk sth rd (14, 12, 10, 15)

bdk sth av 1 (15)

tnm mrt - alight. bus left 4 peop. 2 peop i see board maybe 3. so beyond tnm got 6-7 peop.

loading much better at time observe 630 pm then 730pm. got lot peop from changi business park live marine parade. now know why dedicate service, also many board tnm for marine parade. marine parade tnm side loading poor both 630 and 730 bus.

proudtobeme SG

serv 9 double decker at 7:45pm tnm mrt to tamp east cc

tnm mrt (41) bus come almost empty to tnm mrt

bdk sth rd (42, 39, 31, 28)

simei ave (31)

simei st 3 (30)

simei mrt (14 peop alight) (80) bus wait simei mrt almost 3 min

bef simei rd (81)

simei rd (69, 49)

tamp east cc (20 peop alight. i feel 8 peop board but error margin cud be there. i feel bus leave tamp east cc with around 35 peop)

i walk back home.

high loading point = 81 peop

array88 SG

serv 9 double decker at 7:45pm tnm mrt to tamp east cc

tnm mrt (41) bus come almost empty to tnm mrt

bdk sth rd (42, 39, 31, 28)

simei ave (31)

simei st 3 (30)

simei mrt (14 peop alight) (80) bus wait simei mrt almost 3 min

bef simei rd (81)

simei rd (69, 49)

tamp east cc (20 peop alight. i feel 8 peop board but error margin cud be there. i feel bus leave tamp east cc with around 35 peop)

i walk back home.

high loading point = 81 peop

81 pax at almost 8pm is actually very good IMO...

array88 SG

Serv 47 at 6:20pm from changi business park

bus come with 8 peop on board

changi business park (33)

changi point (52)

changi sth av 1 (58)

xilin avenue (58)

bef tnm mrt (63, 65)

tnm mrt (67) i focus count peop alight = 31 peop. peop board = 33 peop. so from two observation clear peop alight tnm almost = peop board tnm

bdk sth av 3 (68)

bdk sth rd (69, 63, 57, 56)

bdk sth av 1 (55, 46)

mp rd (46, 45, 38, 36, 35, 30, 29, 20, 16)

amber rd (15)

east coast rd (13, 16, 14)

still rd (12)

mp rd (14, 15, 15, 12, 13, 14)

bdk sth av 1 (14, 14)

bdk sth rd (14, 12, 10, 15)

bdk sth av 1 (15)

tnm mrt - alight. bus left 4 peop. 2 peop i see board maybe 3. so beyond tnm got 6-7 peop.

So half the pax boarding at CBP alight at Tanah Merah... The other half (34 pax) mainly alight at Marine Parade. For TNM it's a bit lower than my expectations, maybe many people working there are still walking to Expo MRT.

For those boarding at Tanah Merah MRT towards Marine Parade, although the crowds are quite messive, they would still take 31/48 if there's no 47... Plus many 48 buses will be empty when arriving at Tanah Merah. Maybe 47 there is good to relieve loads on 31/48, although I wouldn't say it's that necessary.

BusAnalayzer SG

Do you think it could be because till now people were relying on private operator buses to ferry them to Tanah Merah just like for Alps Ave before extension of sv 35. It could be that these people have bought a one year pass already. Just speculating, not sure. Wiill be great if someone has more info.

BusAnalayzer SG

Serv 47 at 6:20pm from changi business park

bus come with 8 peop on board

changi business park (33)

changi point (52)

changi sth av 1 (58)

xilin avenue (58)

bef tnm mrt (63, 65)

tnm mrt (67) i focus count peop alight = 31 peop. peop board = 33 peop. so from two observation clear peop alight tnm almost = peop board tnm

bdk sth av 3 (68)

bdk sth rd (69, 63, 57, 56)

bdk sth av 1 (55, 46)

mp rd (46, 45, 38, 36, 35, 30, 29, 20, 16)

amber rd (15)

east coast rd (13, 16, 14)

still rd (12)

mp rd (14, 15, 15, 12, 13, 14)

bdk sth av 1 (14, 14)

bdk sth rd (14, 12, 10, 15)

bdk sth av 1 (15)

tnm mrt - alight. bus left 4 peop. 2 peop i see board maybe 3. so beyond tnm got 6-7 peop.

Was this bus a DD or SD? It seems like 69 pax peak is not bad for a bus that is not even one month old. I can only expect loading to increase from changi business park.

BusAnalayzer SG

81 pax at almost 8pm is actually very good IMO...

This is quite normal. sv 9 DDs come in handy as feeder between simei mrt and Tampines East CC as the above loading also shows.

dupdup77 SG

serv 9 double decker at 7:45pm tnm mrt to tamp east cc

tnm mrt (41) bus come almost empty to tnm mrt

bdk sth rd (42, 39, 31, 28)

simei ave (31)

simei st 3 (30)

simei mrt (14 peop alight) (80) bus wait simei mrt almost 3 min

bef simei rd (81)

simei rd (69, 49)

tamp east cc (20 peop alight. i feel 8 peop board but error margin cud be there. i feel bus leave tamp east cc with around 35 peop)

i walk back home.

high loading point = 81 peop

Hi mr proudtobeme, yes service 9 is damn high loading. Everytime see sbs 9 coming from Loyang avenue at peak hours also sianz. Lots of people!

1 curious thing to note. Why LTA likes to dictate all the 9s at Loyang side? So strange! 9, 19, 29, 59, 89, 109? Cheers. Thanks.

shellstation SG

Do you guys think 28 needs a fleet add?

Was just casually passing by Bedok MRT bus stop towards Tampines at evening peak and the crowd waiting for 28 was really massive.

I heard that queue at Tamp interchange is also very long at evening peak despite having 29 and 293. In fact, all 3 services have huge loadings.

array88 SG

For 28, actually many pax alight at first stop at Bedok North Ave 3. Some alight at later parts of Ave 3 but I'm not sure how many will really travel all the way to Tampines. There's 67 from Bedok MRT to Ave 3, plus many other services from Bedok Int, so I guess it's fine.

Agree that 28 has massive crowds between Tampines and Bedok. But now for Tampines Ave 9 / St 45 you also have 293 that come at 3 min frequency plus 293P (especially during PM peak). AM peak may be the problem because those at St 45 closer to Ave 9 will choose 28 instead of 293.

So I think current fleet can more or less manage, although having fleet adds may be useful.

proudtobeme SG

i live on 28 route. it passby my home. i think 28 heavy crowd as go to inner part tamp. but after many upgrade now fleet doing good. no need fleet add. from tamp int, got 293 cover same route for inner tamp. 293 freq so good at 03 min that now 28 queue not so long anymore.

proudtobeme SG

Was this bus a DD or SD? It seems like 69 pax peak is not bad for a bus that is not even one month old. I can only expect loading to increase from changi business park.

sorry i shud have mention double decker.

proudtobeme SG

Hi mr proudtobeme, yes service 9 is damn high loading. Everytime see sbs 9 coming from Loyang avenue at peak hours also sianz. Lots of people!

1 curious thing to note. Why LTA likes to dictate all the 9s at Loyang side? So strange! 9, 19, 29, 59, 89, 109? Cheers. Thanks.

there also serv 2.

BusAnalayzer SG

Shocking '0' loading on sv 256 on certain parts of its route

1st trip: 4'55pm

Boon Lay Interchange -- 05

Jurong West St 62 -- 06 (-1/2), 02 (-4/0) 256 DD in opposite direction have 0 pax

Jurong West St 61 -- 02 (0/0)

Pioneer MRT -- 00 (-2/0)

Pioneer Road North -- 00 (0/0), 2 (0/2), 5 (0/3), 9 (0/4)

AYE -- 26 (0/17), 28 (0/2), 37 (0/9)

Benoi Rd -- 37 (0/0) 5'17pm

2nd trip: 5'23pm

Joo Koon Interchange -- 02 (0/2)

Benoi Road -- 02 (0/0)

AYE -- 04 (0/2), 20 (0/16), 37 (0/17)

Pioneer Road North -- 55 (-2/20), 64 (-1/10), 68 (-2/6), 65 (-5/2)

Pioneer MRT -- 13 (-55/3)

Jurong West St 61 -- 12 (-1/0)

Jurong West St 62 -- 10 (-4/2), 9 (-3/2)

3rd trip: 5'52pm

Boon Lay Interchange -- 07

Jurong West St 62 -- 04 (-3/0), 00 (-4/0)

Jurong West St 61 -- 00 (0/0) 256 DD in opposite direction had 0 pax (upper deck)

Pioneer MRT -- 02 (0/2)

Pioneer Road North -- 0 (-2/0), 0 (0/0), 2 (0/2), 2 (0/0)

AYE -- 22 (0/20), 26 (0/4), 32 (-1/7)

Benoi Road -- 32 (0/0)

* The loading is for everyone to see. I don't think 256 is as useless as everyone have remarked because it does have DD worthy between Pioneer and Pioneer Road North (though also has 193/251 plying the same route) but 256 gives direct Pioneer MRT connectivity.

* Do we even need 256 to be there between Pioneer and Boon Lay? It operates with almost 0 pax to <10 pax (those who can also take 243G/W). Also st 61 is like a ghost bus stop with no one boarding/alighting, guess because Pioneer MRT is so close.

* 256 can be routed as Joo Koon <> Pioneer MRT service. This way it can be more efficient and not get stuck in the long queue of buses entering Boon Lay.

* Observed frequency is around 14-16 mins per bus.

* Peak loading 1st trip: 37, 2nd trip: 68 (44 upper deck, 24 lower deck), 3rd trip: 32

AJQZC SG

Shocking '0' loading on sv 256 on certain parts of its route

1st trip: 4'55pm

Boon Lay Interchange -- 05

Jurong West St 62 -- 06 (-1/2), 02 (-4/0) 256 DD in opposite direction have 0 pax

Jurong West St 61 -- 02 (0/0)

Pioneer MRT -- 00 (-2/0)

Pioneer Road North -- 00 (0/0), 2 (0/2), 5 (0/3), 9 (0/4)

AYE -- 26 (0/17), 28 (0/2), 37 (0/9)

Benoi Rd -- 37 (0/0) 5'17pm

2nd trip: 5'23pm

Joo Koon Interchange -- 02 (0/2)

Benoi Road -- 02 (0/0)

AYE -- 04 (0/2), 20 (0/16), 37 (0/17)

Pioneer Road North -- 55 (-2/20), 64 (-1/10), 68 (-2/6), 65 (-5/2)

Pioneer MRT -- 13 (-55/3)

Jurong West St 61 -- 12 (-1/0)

Jurong West St 62 -- 10 (-4/2), 9 (-3/2)

3rd trip: 5'52pm

Boon Lay Interchange -- 07

Jurong West St 62 -- 04 (-3/0), 00 (-4/0)

Jurong West St 61 -- 00 (0/0) 256 DD in opposite direction had 0 pax (upper deck)

Pioneer MRT -- 02 (0/2)

Pioneer Road North -- 0 (-2/0), 0 (0/0), 2 (0/2), 2 (0/0)

AYE -- 22 (0/20), 26 (0/4), 32 (-1/7)

Benoi Road -- 32 (0/0)

* 256 can be routed as Joo Koon <> Pioneer MRT service. This way it can be more efficient and not get stuck in the long queue of buses entering Boon Lay.

* Observed frequency is around 14-16 mins per bus.

* Peak loading 1st trip: 37, 2nd trip: 68 (44 upper deck, 24 lower deck), 3rd trip: 32

Better to downgrade to SD? It does seem SD is enough for the route during peak hours. Let alone off-peak hours.

BusAnalayzer SG

Better to downgrade to SD? It does seem SD is enough for the route during peak hours. Let alone off-peak hours.

My proposal is to make it Joo Koon Interchange <> Pioneer MRT (loop). There is 68 pax boarding on way to Pioneer MRT. That does qualify to get DD. Fleet size is only 5 buses operating at 14-16 mins frequency. If someone is not able to board, have to wait another 15 mins, so from that point of view, I am okay with DDs deployed, but the stretch between Pioneer and Boon Lay seems waste of fuel and resource. Can just have 4 DDs do Joo Koon <> Pioneer.

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