Bus 87 hit by crane at Bedok North Road

last SG · 2010-07-16T22:41:13+00:00

Just because they are car owners themselves, they feel that they own the roads. partly yes.but e spine chilling part is lack of awareness of safety over deal...

sbst275 SG

haha. i just LOVE this part right here.

you've got a point. but do you remember the story about the woman who sued McDonald's because she slipped on their wet floor?

eh, what rubbish is this. you got class 4? been to the lessons before? no?

in the US I can sue anyone but tis is Singapore.

But wait, as like insurance you've to see who's at fault. Just like I cut into e way of e bus, some car drivers dun understand heavy vehicle braking distance is longer than car and they can't brake immediately/ heavily because of standee.

Tat's why to sidetalk, why their healthcare is so costly.

sBs_boy SG

I want to tear my hair out liao. Speechless.......

Under normal circumstances, u speed up to overtake. Fine.

But hey, I am talking about 2 giants going side by side.

By anyway,
Theres no need for the bus to speed up since the lorry is already in a stationary position isnt it ?

Dont see the reason why the bus need to speed up when the bus stop is near to the scene of accident.

Lets say the bus did speed up.
from the photos shown is pretty obvious that its the crane's fault as the bus did not even "eat" into the left most lane (the lane the lorry was on).

SBS9818A SG

Sry dude, I think u got it wrong. But correct me if I am wrong.

When u talk about braking distance, i believe it means the distance between something directly in front or directly behind u. (ie whether u going to smash into ppl's car butt or vice versa)

In the case of the bus and the crane, going side by side, how will your so call braking distance apply?

so in your little fantasy world, vehicles IMMEDIATELY come to a stop when the brakes are applied. so inertia doesn't exist in your world it seems? even with a side impact you expect the bus to stop immediately without moving any distance?

hellfire_1646 SG

Anybody ask this question?

1)BC should on the road or at the sky where your eyes is to be suppose on the road 95% of the time.

2) I don know why the crane should be on the right side at that point of time as the BC was suppose to be going near a bus stop at that time so that vehicle should not even be there in the first place. As such vehicle can climb onto the pedestrial road, drive over curb and do the prunning.

3) That road is very selffish as there are little space for the BC to actually drive thru from first lane to 3rd lane and within 100m, need to stop in bus stop. You think is driving super machine ah, you teach the BC how to do it without offending anyone.

sbst275 SG

Seriously speaking, it all exposes how ppl think bus driving/ heavy vehicle = car.

They ought to drive a loaded 2.5 ton van one fine day

jgho83 SG

I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.

I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.

Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?

hellfire_1646 SG

You need a lot of skill to drive a heavy vehicle when the BC is putting all his mind on the road. You think he is going to see the sky. Final thing, i operate crane before, first thing is never ever turn your crane on the road as your crane never put and state that how much height you need then can pass.

keropoking SG

think there was a case involving a sv151 NAC MK2 about 4 to 6 years back, also a crane smashed into the bus. Anyone recall?

yes, i kanna a similar accident 5-6 yrs ago on bus 151 near the ubi driving center. the bus smashed into a construction beam, which pierced thru the bus from the center to back.

sBs_boy SG

I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.

I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.

Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?

So u do expect the bus to be travelling at less than 10km/h when overtaking vehicles ?

SBS9818A SG

I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.

I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.

Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?

are you the accident investigator? can you provide me the data projections as to the ideal speed the bus should travel at so that the 'outcome wont be so horrible'?

even if the BC was driving at 20kmh the damage would most likely be largely similar to what had happened. but which reasonable driver would do 20kmh along a trunk road and moreover, had assessed to have sufficient side clearance to move faster than that?

muziq bus SG

Anybody ask this question?

1)BC should on the road or at the sky where your eyes is to be suppose on the road 95% of the time.

gosh gosh. this is not a car mind you. its a class 4 vehicle. if you see a that type of lorry with a crane on the side of the road, you must be aware of the potential hazard that the lorry might do.

Seriously speaking, it all exposes how ppl think bus driving/ heavy vehicle = car.

They ought to drive a loaded 2.5 ton van one fine day

i agree. class 4 vehicles are not the same as driving a car.
i've driven things which are like 4.3m high and weighs 18 tonnes.

currently driving something which is even heavier and is 17metres long.
if you pay attention to only hazards and not potential hazards, then seriously, dont even think of driving something beyond class 3 vehicles. sheeesshh..

jgho83 SG

yes, i kanna a similar accident 5-6 yrs ago on bus 151 near the ubi driving center. the bus smashed into a construction beam, which pierced thru the bus from the center to back.

In your opinion, how fast was the bus travelling?

hellfire_1646 SG

That bus is only travelling at 20km/hr. As it just did a turn into bedok north road and it need to press on the fuel as you are going on an uphill? Do you guys drive and actually forget your practical?

^tamago^ SG

But think.

The bus must be travelling at a fast speed just as it was about to pass the crane. If not, how do u explain the horrible carnage?

The bus driver, in that time, should have slow down and do a overtaking.

The key thing here is the speed, slow down. (which doesnt seem to be the case)

You are coming from a car driver's point of view. A bus has a much larger momentum even at low speeds, so low you'll cry but it's enough to cause sizeable damage to something like a car.

And I'm sure he is slow enough to have stopped the bus in 8 metres from the point of impact to the end of impact, and that takes into account reaction time too. I don't understand where the 20 metres come from, when the length of the bus itself is only 12 metres.

^tamago^ SG

Sry dude, I think u got it wrong. But correct me if I am wrong.

When u talk about braking distance, i believe it means the distance between something directly in front or directly behind u. (ie whether u going to smash into ppl's car butt or vice versa)

In the case of the bus and the crane, going side by side, how will your so call braking distance apply?

if he don't brake in time, the whole upper deck will be smashed until the crane is out of the bus.

hellfire_1646 SG

I travell through bus 87 thousands of times. Normally when they do prunning, they normally park their vehicle onto the grass patch due to the road's intensity. half the vehicle would be on the grass patch and the other half on the road

muziq bus SG

You are coming from a car driver's point of view. A bus has a much larger momentum even at low speeds, so low you'll cry but it's enough to cause sizeable damage to something like a car.

finally. someone that talk sense. with facts even.

hellfire_1646 SG

if he don't brake in time, the whole upper deck will be smashed until the crane is out of the bus.

Most likely the whole celling of the bus may fall and cause more deaths.

jgho83 SG

are you the accident investigator? can you provide me the data projections as to the ideal speed the bus should travel at so that the 'outcome wont be so horrible'?

Dont ask me stupid questions like "are u the accident investgator?" when I am obviously not and neither anyone of us here are.

When u are the captain of the bus and their lives is in your hands, it doesnt kill to go slow when u about to overtake something so huge and tall.

Do note that I am not defending the worker who operates the crane.

I have been typing and typing to get my point across.

SLOW DOWN WHEN U ARE NOT SURE.

^tamago^ SG

I am in the real world dude. Look who's talking. I didnt say the bus will stop immediatedly.

I said previously, if the speed of the bus is slow enough, the outcome wont be so horrible.

Did u read carefully and fully comprehend what i meant?

Even if he were stationary, if the beam swung through the upper deck, there's nothing the bus driver can do.

Of course, travelling at a slower speed will help, but how slow do you think it takes to be safe when something comes crashing at you? If everything can be ideally slow such that the outcome won't be so horrible, then I think we have the perfect remedy to reduce the chances of a collision: drive at snail's pace and stop immediately at any signs of danger.

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