Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross

last SG · 2011-12-07T15:08:38+00:00

Tcmc,1. And I shall again emphasize this. You demand for empirical proofs that miracles happened 2000 years ago. You claimed, at the very least, that miracle...

Demon Bane SG

well, the safest approach would then be to receive christ then get baptised after tat...tat would fulfill either set of doctrines...:)

Hahaha! That's definitely one way to go....

despondent SG

God is understanding enuff and honestly if baptism is indeed necessary for salvation, he will give grace to such cases...actually it does matter whether u believe in OSAS or not...cos its related to salvation...

Demon Bane SG

diff ppl have diff sets of believe larh... the key is to understand while not forcing unto other his own believe larh.

I also read something about the "power of belief"....I think it has something to do with the subconscious mind....maybe that's why all major religions have miracles....Hahaha!

BroInChrist SG

BIC

1. Exactly my point! No one is 100% sure! Not me, not you!

2. Why i am dead sure that baptism is needed for salvtion? The same reason why you are "dead sure" baptism isnt needed for salvation. Same method.

3. You think its absurd, but apparently other christians from other denominations dont think so. They firmly believe that born of water IS water baptism. Still there are other verses that I have shown you. LIke i said, there are different perspectives but we can never be 100% sure if we are correct? Can you at least agree on this?

4. Article by Pro-"baptism isnt needed for salvation" christian?

Tcmc,

You are still confused as ever. You said no one can be sure, but in the next paragraph you so dead sure. And then you try to include me in your problem. Sorry man, I no agree. There are things I am dead sure of, and there are things I am more tentative about but still confident to state. I don't think we need to insist on 100% certainty on every piece of doctrine. I accept the existence of differing interpretations, but I do not accept the absurd idea that there is no correct interpretation and that no one can know the correct interpretation.

And I don't quite get your question #4 above? What dod you mean Christian? Are you squabbling again on Christian sources aka genetic fallacy?

Tcmc SG

Now then you "make" God's character to suit your own beliefs.

I thought God doesnt change his righteousness. he is righteous right? and if he indeed say baptism is needed for salvation and ah ma didnt baptise in time, she will still go to eternal fire.

Its like if an atheist did not repent in time, no matter how good he is, he will still end up in eternal fire, according to christianity.

So if baptism really needed for salvation, ji bai si liao. Really die this time. All the ah mas and ah gongs cannot baptise.

despondent SG

the interesting thing is i do not know of any christian who converted only AFTER affirming whether baptism is needed for salvation...perhaps ALL of us are practising blind faith...

despondent SG

u have forgotten tat God is also gracious...God is a judge but he is also love...

Demon Bane SG

u have forgotten tat God is also gracious...God is a judge but he is also love...

Yah hor...that means baptized non-christians also can goto heaven lah ?

despondent SG

why would a non-christian be baptised in the 1st place?

Jacky Woo SG

But then my christian friends also tell me baptism IS necessary for baptism.

If never get baptised, the christian will not ge tsaved.

so non christians dun get baptised, will go to hell instead?

Demon Bane SG

why would a non-christian be baptised in the 1st place?

I mean after they had been baptized...sometime later they left the christian faith....

Tcmc SG

u have forgotten tat God is also gracious...God is a judge but he is also love...

you said "God is a judge but he is also love..."

Good. Then please apply this truth of yours to nonchristians too.

There are many good nonchristians who will not "believe in jesus" in time.

As much as the bible says nonchristians cannot go heaven, the bible also says God is love and merciful

So please, bible is "si" (dead), but your God is living.

Its possible he wil lallow good nonchristians to go heaven

despondent SG

ah...see? so they left the faith after getting baptised...if baptism was needed for salvation wouldnt tat mean they stil go heaven? baptism comes after salvation...so if the roots(salvation) are cut off, can the tree still survive?

Jacky Woo SG

Tcmc,

You are still confused as ever.

you are as incoherent and irrational as ever. talking abour projecting

my foot

despondent SG

but he is judge...he will judge tat those who are nt part of his ''family'' wun get to live in his house(heaven)...ur parents love ur cousins but will ur cousins ever live in ur family as ur siblings???

Tcmc SG

Lol.

COming up with own explanations to suit your own beliefs.

"Oh people who dont get baptised can still go heaven, even though thebible says baptism is necessary to be saved!"

"Oh people who dont believe in jesus definitely cannot go heaven, because the bible says belief is necessary to get saved!"

Do you see how you twist your logic for different situations?

You make your own God.

You believe in what, then you also make your God believe in what.

despondent SG

oh and do u noe tat love can be one-sided but a r/s must be 2-sided? God loves but its one-sided when it comes to those who dun reciprocate...wads a r/s wif God? its when the love he shows is reciprocated by his children(the believers)...

its like the parents love their children but the cildren dun love the parents and run away from home and refuse to come back...the parents wait for the children to return but children refuse to return...read up on the prodigal son in the bible...tats a gd eg...

despondent SG

ok...then stop discussing wif me and i will stop discussing wif u...gd thing i didnt agree to the request u made in PM...

Tcmc SG

Because to you, you think "love" is the most important to your God.

But to other christians, OBEDIENCE to the bible is the most important to God.

And if the bible says baptism is necessary for salvation, why do you twist it and say "Oh those who dont get baptised can still go heaven".

Why do you twist what is written?

James 1:22

Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.

Tsktsk.Why dont you do what the Word says?

despondent SG

ppl sincerely share wad they believe and u accuse ppl of making God...why are we the ones making God? why not u? u make urself sound like someone who noes the bible better than the christians here...isnt tat pride?

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