Original Sin (Of Angels and Man)

last SG · 2005-12-20T23:26:13+00:00

There's a cheemer version of it.

SingaporeMacross SG

What?! They actually had a sermon based on a Chick tract?!

Jail them now!!

laurence82 SG

Whats with Chick that warrant a jail term?

M©+square SG

Cannot jail one la...if not...many pastors jailed liao loh!

You'll see the church and christianity going into ruins, the crediblity of Christianity and Priest will be in jeopardy. Mr. Green

Cheers

breytonhartge SG

Then you have no clue about Jewish people do you? Even if they are scientists etc.. .they formative years are one of knowing the God of the Torah.

You have it totally out of point. All I am saying is that the God that Albert Einstein would have known is the same God Christians know today.

You think the Jews would actually support the notion of God laid out in the New Testaments? An easy trap for evangelists to gain more persuasive power in the name of Albert Einstein.

Yes, messianic Jews actually support the notion of God laid out in the NT.

SingaporeMacross SG

He is a purveyor of lies.

laurence82 SG

Again, since its based on my statement, you are the one going out of point.

The Christians may worship the same god as the Jews, and the Muslims may admit Jesus is a prophet

I will repeat until you come out with something different.

Albert Einstein has not clearly show that he embraced Christianity and the notion of holy trinity and the stuff they wrote in the new testaments.

Why Christians are different from the Jews as in Jews in Judaism? Its because they dont believe god send this guy called jesus down to earth. Already, that alter the notion of god and what god does and thinks. Any guy, like i said, who didnt think properly might have agree with stuff in the new testaments, including the concept of the holy trinity just simply because somebody mired it with the concept both groups believe in the same god.

Is this so hard to understand?

laurence82 SG

I dont think we have to look that far to look at liars and hypocrites do we?

Laughing

SingaporeMacross SG

rofl lmao

klydeer SG

Hi Laurence. Just sharing here some of my thoughts as i have thought about it some time back.

Wouldnt think that Sin is "created". Rather to me, it is a consequence or act of disobedience from what is commanded by God and what is God.

When the Lord created beings - He gives them free will. As we all know - Free Will is a double edge power. Keeping the options simple here - Either to submit or to deviate. So if one is to deviate from what the Lord has for the beings brings forth sin. Sinning brings forth death.

i do not know what occurred in satan's heart when he disobeyed God - but perhaps a simpler analogy would be that having meals to be kept alive is not sin - but gluttony is. We are not forced by the Lord to be or not to be a glutton - we chose to. Perhaps satan chose to / or desire to because even as an angel - he covet out of a freedom to do so?

Why does the Lord gives us free will then ? Perhaps If we do not have free will - most probably we also cannot enjoy the Good that the Lord has for us ? More for the children of Adam - we cannot know what Love is ? We would be like robots....isnt it ?

That Evil is the absence of Good only begs the question further. That Evil is chosen by the will of Men and (Angels) brings forth much light of God's Love for Beings of Which He Created. That is one of the major relevations that brings me to Christ as i was indeed a very bad person then. It is not so much of the blessings that God can bring - but of His grace that i can choose to Live and Live truly.

Hope all is well with you.

Icemoon SG

I say again .. the Jewish Einstein did not believe in a personal God.

laurence82 SG

Hmm, kly presents a very strong case in his points abt free will. Finally somebody answer the question. But i understand from MC that there are many perspectives as well.

breytonhartge SG

Can you show me conclusive proof?

Icemoon SG

Time to eat the humble pie dude. Laughing

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html

Christian website wor. Mr. Green

M©+square SG

Brey, i'm not sure if Jesus was referring to Sinners who know what is right and good.
But i'm sure Jesus gave credit to the sinners.

I don't know if you consider Gandhi did good and right for his nation.
But i know the verses which you have quoted are too high handed.

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Mark 6:31 - 34

Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.

If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.

If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.

If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount.

laurence82 SG

According to this website, the story of Albert Einstein uttering those words are false. The quote is supposedly part of a dialogue between Einstein and an atheist professor, which is a version of the ubiquitous atheist professor vs smart student story Christians often used to bash atheists.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

And this last para is a good point.

'Stories about atheist professors being bested by true believers who did have answers at the ready are both ventings of this frustration and expressions of delight in finally seeming to have been armed with deft responses to fling back. These are tales of affirmation, modern-day parables of trials overcome and fierce adversaries bested by those who held fast to what they believed in, even in the face of ridicule rained down by authority figures. Like parables, they are meant to inspire similar resolve in those with whom they are shared should those members of the flock ever find themselves in like circumstances, they should feel moved to emulate the brave little students of legend who stood up to the big, bad atheist professors. '

breytonhartge SG

Still not conclusive, it is written by someone other than Einstein himself, was the author a personal friend of Enistein? Rolling Eyes

breytonhartge SG

Please clarify...

Icemoon SG

Einstein said the following two quotes:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly"

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

These are famous quotes, not some ulu ulu statements pulled out from dubious sources.

Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views

laurence82 SG

He himself has not prove his source as true yet.

I checked a few sites, all pointing out that the supposedly Albert Einstein quote about presence of god is false.

breytonhartge SG

Again like what laurence says, internet source...

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