The Criminalisation of Christianity

last SG · 2005-05-27T10:52:14+00:00

You said that you cannot accept homosexuality because it is cleary not natural.One can argue along two lines. Trivially something can be natural, as in it ex...

laurence82 SG

Homosexuals are allowed to work in the Singapore Government, but the then PM Goh himself said it doesnt mean homosexuality is wholly accepted.

I always wonder, did he make this statement when he discover some members of his Cabinet are kinked that way? Twisted Evil

F Takumi SG

Some years ago, then PM Goh invited some young Singaporeans to the Istana for a dinner cum sharing session. He asked us whether we have any objection to a divorcee in the cabinet. Of course everyone is agreeable.

Sometime ago I heard he asked the same question about homosexual.

Icemoon SG

So you are saying homo is caused by genetic mutation machiam like radiation diseases?

I don't know how tat sounds to u but it sound totally incredible to me... 2 male species of animal have sex and the sperm flew all the way into a female ovary... and tis happen for all the homosexual species of tat animal...

I never said the two males had sex .. I just said they were frolicking each another. Do you need me to quote the dictionary to prove frolicking is not having sex?

The sperm never flew. It is something like bees picking up pollens. By the way, pollens are the male sex cells in plants.

In any case, the example is entirely ficticious but still a logically possible.

Well, nobody says homo can't have sex with a woman They r also called bisexual...

Of course, if u have a dick, u can have sex with a woman. Mr. Green But it is unnatural right? Might as well go for ICSI or in vitro. Very Happy

Bisexuals are different from homos lah.

lwflee SG

What? You are a bigot. Who cares if homosexuality is natural or not? Ppl should be able to be a homosexual because they want to. They do not need'god', jesus, or someother bloke to forgive them.

You seem to confuse being natural as being good. Marijuana is natural. So is polygamy. And Smallpox. Antibiotics, Plastics, semi-conductors, synthetic fibres are not. Hell, fertilizers, the stuff that help keep the cost of food down, are not natural. Cars are not natural, neither are aeroplanes. What about concrete? What about spectacles? I could go on and on. Can you stop being selective?

I hope you are not representative of your church. I would hate to think that institutional bigotry is prevalent in singapore.

iveco SG

Don't forget China. The Catholic community in China is forced underground, much to the chagrin of the Vatican.

stupidissmart SG

So you are saying homo is caused by genetic mutation machiam like radiation diseases?

No, I am saying your assumption tat gays must be borned from gay parents are wrong. Gays can be from straight parents.

I never said the two males had sex .. I just said they were frolicking each another. Do you need me to quote the dictionary to prove frolicking is not having sex?

U really need to give me the definition of frolicking, and then tell me wat animals actually frolick to the point where the sperms will fly. THey r gonna use the hooves/flipers/claws or use their mouth to make the other party ejaculate ? Tis is discovery channel at its best ! Please explain to me.

The sperm never flew. It is something like bees picking up pollens. By the way, pollens are the male sex cells in plants.

So u mean the female pick up the sperm and stuff it up to her ovary ? BTW I am not talking about plants here... A lot of plants r homo too BTW

In any case, the example is entirely ficticious but still a logically possible.

If the chances is so little it can be ignored. It still boils down to the point tat animals r homo, they do not die out which is another sign tat it is natural

Of course, if u have a dick, u can have sex with a woman. But it is unnatural right? Might as well go for ICSI or in vitro.

But wat r we to say tat having sex in the anal is unnatural since it can really be physically done and animals r doing it. There is nothing man made involved isn't it ?

U r not answering the question tat medically and biologically speaking homosexual is different from heterosexual. There r many studies tat show the brain structure from homo and hetero r different. Why don't u answer to tat ? Rolling Eyes

Bisexuals are different from homos lah.

from a christian point of view wat is the diff ? They all sin in the same area isn't it ? BTW as said before, there is a sexuality test where people have varying degree of attraction to certain sex. It is not black and white as one either like girls totally or guys totally. There r in between

You seem to confuse being natural as being good

Natural means it is an act of god tat cause the person to be such. Yet god appears to condemn such people. Isn't tat punishing someone for an action u had done ?

[email protected] SG

were u planning on telling your kids if u have any in future that the world is flat? or that the sun revolves around the earth? hey what other ignorance are u planning to teach them? Rolling Eyes

Icemoon SG

If that is your point of view, so be it. Just like no point telling communists the wonders of capitalism .. haha Anyway, homosexuality may not be accepted by non xtians too, like our older generation. How about our Muslim friends? So please don't see it as an entirely xtian affair.

I hope you are not representative of your church. I would hate to think that institutional bigotry is prevalent in singapore.

Don't belong to any church.

Icemoon SG

What a waste. The efforts of the jesuits were wasted.

But I think tourists are still able to worship? Read http://www.peking-travels.com/Christmas_mass_1.htm

Icemoon SG

He will tell his kids the sun rises and sets. Stars rises and sets. Planets move among the stars.

The world is a big flat grid. Heck, all maps you see are like that. You play RTS games?

And electrons move around the nucleus machiam like solar system.

Icemoon SG

No, I am saying your assumption tat gays must be borned from gay parents are wrong. Gays can be from straight parents.

Is this a strawman? I don't think I said that.

I said the scenario is fictitious. If you want to use 'foreplay' instead of frolicking, go ahead. It still doesn't change my main point.

If the chances is so little it can be ignored. It still boils down to the point tat animals r homo, they do not die out which is another sign tat it is natural

Note that even though you see cases of homo, it is not the case the whole species is homo. So for course they don't die out. But I believe the one that is homo should die out, as in genes don't get passed down. Maybe by being homo, overpopulation is reduced .. haha .. so homo is good at the expense of the homos. Very Happy

But wat r we to say tat having sex in the anal is unnatural since it can really be physically done and animals r doing it. There is nothing man made involved isn't it ?

The law says sodomy is unnatural .. lol .. dun ask me who is the law to say? If you believe in justice and equality, you need the law.

U r not answering the question tat medically and biologically speaking homosexual is different from heterosexual. There r many studies tat show the brain structure from homo and hetero r different. Why don't u answer to tat ?

You just proven homos are more than a difference in sexual preferences?

It is not black and white as one either like girls totally or guys totally. There r in between

That is ok. Many people like power .. it is until you succumb to the dark side that is the problem. Mr. Green

DriftingGuy SG

The flames of war rages on on a saturday morning..

[email protected] SG

with zealots like these who do more to damage the religion than to promote it, is it any wonder that they're being criminalised? deservedly. Laughing

Icemoon SG

If one can show rather conclusively that what the 'zealots' think are reflected in Scripture, then they cannot be zealots.

This is why 'orthodox' Muslims rise up and defend their faith, when Islam was tarnished by those muslim terrorists.

DriftingGuy SG

/war-drums beating...

/a distant horn sounds an intermission of a long fought battle

No offense to christians but what really annoys me is the fact that some christians go out of their way to preach their teachings upon others despite strong opposition...

Compared to other religons, christianity has a long history of intolerance to other religons, e.g. buddhism

[email protected] SG

unfortunately u have overlooked 2 points. 1st, that the scriptures have been choosen because the men who choose them felt they best fit their own ideas n agendas. 2ndly, the scriptures themselves were written by men, whose human prejudices would have had an impact on what they wrote. perhaps u neglect to remember that the scriptures are not a direct memo penned by God himself.

lwflee SG

Again, Icemoon seems to adhere to the belief that all that is natural is good. Like i said that is not true.

My point of contention is that we should be able to engage in homosexuality because we want to.

[email protected] SG

if he believes that, then if he ever gets something like cancer, that is also natural and if he goes for treatment, that is going against nature, and thus against god's will. I guess then, any one who condemns homosexuality for being against nature are hypocrites if they aren't against cancer patients seeking medical treatment.

Icemoon SG

Does Buddhism have more or less absolute truths? Like the monks won't even bother me if I don't believe in their concepts of karma or reincarnation or eightfold paths .. but does my belief make their beliefs less true?

Maybe if I don't believe in reincarnation, I won't be reincarnated. Mr. Green

Icemoon SG

xtians especially those from 'wealth and health' churches will tell you cancer is not natural. Diseases are acts of the devil .. haha

Moreover the sanctity of life is important. No one in general should refuse treatment or refuse medication. If it is your time to go, you will go.

So you two are putting up a strawman here.

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