Creationist vs Evolutionist

last SG · 2004-09-27T14:43:04+00:00

Hi guys... Hmm... think this has turned from a friendly discussion into something less than pleasant to see... Guess it'll all stop right here.

AMD2004 SG

Well answered Chin Eng. But as far as this nick "Stupid is Smart" still emblazon in this thread, torrential egoistic posts are imminent.

He does not and will not admit that he had contradictions. This is one of the worst attitude that i had ever encounter. And hence in order to cover up his mistakes/ contradiction, a silly/ out of point/illogical rebuttal parenthesis was made.

SIS, u really display a precocious talent for anti-christianity. I could say ur presence had really cause Eternal Hope's aim travail. E.H had been trying to unravel christianity to u. If u find difficulty to comprehend or to accept christianity, u could agree to disagree. However, i am extremely dissapointed over your replies for each had a compulsion to disrespect christianity as a religion.

None of us here can have a irrevocable points/facts. If you cant accept the fact and believe that you are always correct, might as well leave. You are just too brilliant for us.

the.raven SG

well answered AMD, your grandios usage of vocabulary had really caused a torrential of emblazonment of precocious aim travail on this thread and in which there is a compulsion of the irrevocable fact that there is an imminent inadequacy with the egoistic nether regions of your anatomy.

jk.

Chin Eng SG

Laughing
I have my windows of opportunites..... and two computers at home.... even if older son is beating the crap out of other kids at Gunbound, I can still bang the other one.

+ Monday nights a kinda free for me.... other nights you'd see me less. Weekends is almost definitely for family. Mornings are fine, some folks still sleeping some gone to school. I have another half and hour more.....

but thanks for your Laughing concern..... Wink

sillyme SG

According to your deduction, I also conclude that since no one has concrete evidence that God does not exist, therefore God must exist Cool

Thank you! I rest my case.

/me bows

*applause please* Mr. Green

the.raven SG

if thou can emblazon thy post with a torrential of flowery language like AMD did, then irrevocably I would feel an imminent compulsion to applause for thy wit and skill.

sillyme SG

Me cannots spoke like him. It is meaning as a jokes lah. hehehe. *gua gua gua* Confused

Chin Eng SG

Laughing clap clap clap clap clap

stupidissmart SG

Again Eng Chin have stated nothing relevant to the thread again Rolling Eyes

So you continue to bad mouth Christianity for the umpteen (please learn the correct spelling, SHEESH!) times can?

U never make any spelling errors before ? Obviously u have understood wat I had written. But since u have nothing better to talk about, I guess u can only attack on my carelessness in spelling.

Sorry you are unclear again....??? The first part of the sentence contradicts with the second part.

claiming tat u cannot understand the things I have written, when clearly u do

Wat is contradictory ? u can interprete tis sentence as u r making a flase claim when u say u cannot understand wat I had written because from the way u respond to it, u do understand its meanings.

when did I say you must accept all my answers, I only ask you to agree to disagree and move on. I am sure you have better things to do than to day in day out, night in night out, sitting in front of the screen, surfing atheist website to support your views

And in wat situation u had perform tis ? I ask u another question on your reply, and u not only refuse to answer them, u ask me not to ask it in the first place. U ask me to accept your answer when I am not even satisfied with it. Is tat making any improvement ?

actually I think you said it yourself, many many moons ago. Of course it is entirely possible that again with your poor grammar you failed to communicate a salient point of your rebuttals.

Ahh... but many many moon before, I had already corrected u on tis aspect and u accepted it. However u appeared to have conveniently forget about it and bring it up again recently. Show tat u have nothing better to attack but bring up an old point which has already been settled.

and this is wrong? I even tell Christians NOT to antagonise other religions.

Nothing wrong with tis. But do u stop them when they start to antagonise other religion ? I have clearly see neontetra antagonise other religion too. DO u go around writing a reply totally attacking on his character ? How fair have u portray yourself in tis matter ?

errr. I never said this, I said Eternal Hope is for Christians. I did not say that they do not want to hear any opposing view, only that such opposing views should be politely made and if anyone disagrees, it's ok, let's move on.

R u sure ? U appeared to have written a another strongly worded message telling me tat eternal hope is for christians to "learn" and bla bla bla. U say tat if I want to talk about such religion topics, I go to some other forums to write about it. Isn't tat a sign tat u do not want to hear any opposing view, similar to censoring off unwanted comments ?

I expressed my opinion with the same freedom that you claim you have. I did not teach, you are extremely confused on the concept of what teaching is.

Really ? Why don't u explain your earlier messages telling people tat I am not here to learn and therefore should ignore me ? Doesn't tat implied tat u r not here to learn but teach instead ?

factually incorrect, it is really: none of my content addressed to YOU is not related to the topic purely because it is senseless to engage you as you have the tendency to throw it back at our faces. This is NOT just my opinion but the opinion of others too

Wat do u suggest ? U come out with any cock and bull story and I am forced to accept it isn't it ? I cannot rebut the points u have raised when u r at a liberty to do so ? Obviously if I don't make sense, u can have easily point it out and throw away the whole argument ! But when u can't u just ask them to accept any dumb points u have raised !

well, which part did you feel insulted, the point about my comment on you bad grammar (which is a fact, since you like facts so much) or was it something else?

R u gonna claimed tat u had never made any other malicious remark on me before ? Why don't u answer tis question before I quote it out for u ?

No one's wasting your time, your time is for you to do what you think is useful to yourself. Don't reply. You had stated a couple of notes back exactly that.

If you truly think your time is being wasted here, stop coming in. No one here is putting a gun at your head and force you to log into Eternal Hope. You see, your problem is you CANNOT STAY AWAY! This has become your addiction. You need, you crave, you desire this encounter with a group of people that disagrees with your universe.

My remark on wasting time, is because u do not argue anything about the subject matter but on me personally. TAT is wasting time. Becoming my addiction ? Sorry man, I just wanna make people realise wat a big lie christainity is and therefore be liberated by it. It is not my "addiction" to "encounter with a group of people that disagrees with your universe", it is my conviction tat I try to make them realise the folly of their ways so they can live life better.

According to your deduction, I also conclude that since no one has concrete evidence that God does not exist, therefore God must exist

Sorry man, evolution present evidences tat IT EXISTS in the first place before being accepted. I believe u can see the many different evidences presented about in this thread. If u want to prove evolution wrong, u can just come out with evidences tat proves it otherwise.

For existence of god, they can't prove it exists in the first place ! Since they can't prove it, tis notion is not even accepted !

Chin Eng SG

U never make any spelling errors before ? Obviously u have understood wat I had written. But since u have nothing better to talk about, I guess u can only attack on my carelessness in spelling.
Got lah. But I try very very had to be careful with my spelling and grammar. And when I do make spelling error, I will correct it. I have a little more pride in what I write.
Any comment on your spelling and grammar has go to with your psychological profile. One of an unstable mind. The science of profiling include the analysis of the writing style of the individual.

claiming tat u cannot understand the things I have written, when clearly u do
Wat is contradictory ? u can interprete tis sentence as u r making a flase claim when u say u cannot understand wat I had written because from the way u respond to it, u do understand its meanings.
Whats a flase claim? I cannot respond because I cannot understand.

And in wat situation u had perform tis ? I ask u another question on your reply, and u not only refuse to answer them, u ask me not to ask it in the first place. U ask me to accept your answer when I am not even satisfied with it. Is tat making any improvement ?
Please bear in mind that I had tried very hard in the past to answer your questions, but each time, it still ended with you declaring that you are right. Point is, you are never satisfied even when you are proven wrong. Example? How about the historical context of Biblical text which you categorically deny or how about definition of certain English words used in the past which holds different meaning from now? You have rejected both of these.

Ahh... but many many moon before, I had already corrected u on tis aspect and u accepted it. However u appeared to have conveniently forget about it and bring it up again recently. Show tat u have nothing better to attack but bring up an old point which has already been settled.
I may accepted some of the things youd said at one point, but your continual pursuance of the cause to discredit Christianity has confirmed my point that you still hate Christians.

Nothing wrong with tis. But do u stop them when they start to antagonise other religion ? I have clearly see neontetra antagonise other religion too. DO u go around writing a reply totally attacking on his character ? How fair have u portray yourself in tis matter ?
And you think that I have left these brothers alone? Id written to some of them to ask them not to write such notes. I dont do it for all to see. Anything that had happened before me joining the forum has nothing to do with me, as well as anything I am not aware of. And please, if you see any other Christians going to another forum with negative opinions let me know.

R u sure ? U appeared to have written a another strongly worded message telling me tat eternal hope is for christians to "learn" and bla bla bla. U say tat if I want to talk about such religion topics, I go to some other forums to write about it. Isn't tat a sign tat u do not want to hear any opposing view, similar to censoring off unwanted comments ?
You are the only person in Eternal Hope with so much hatred. I have never told anyone else off for voicing their opinions. Mature people know when to back off. I will not challenge anything you say in Chit Chat. Other non-Christians come into Eternal Hope write a couple of paragraphs and leave. No sweat. Agree to disagree. You? As Id said, Christianity holds the secret to your purpose of living. We are the drug that allow you to survive each day.

Really ? Why don't u explain your earlier messages telling people tat I am not here to learn and therefore should ignore me ? Doesn't tat implied tat u r not here to learn but teach instead ?
I said you are NOT HERE TO LEARN, I did not say I am here to teach. Learning is not about agreeing, it is about accepting another opinion as much as it disagrees with yours. I learn culture when I travel, even culture that disagrees with me. I learn that in some parts of China, bugs are eaten, I would not agree to eat it, I can only accept that it happens. That is real learning.
Whatever implication that exist is in your own sick mind is entire your own.

Wat do u suggest ? U come out with any cock and bull story and I am forced to accept it isn't it ? I cannot rebut the points u have raised when u r at a liberty to do so ? Obviously if I don't make sense, u can have easily point it out and throw away the whole argument ! But when u can't u just ask them to accept any dumb points u have raised !
So no issue here. You think we have dumb points, but whos dumb to come each day to listen to dumb people taking about dumb things. Dumb? You take it to a new low.

R u gonna claimed tat u had never made any other malicious remark on me before ? Why don't u answer tis question before I quote it out for u ?
What is malicious? It is up to you! If you think I have, so be it. So you can come in here and call us dumb or stupid and that's OK? Some other people make remakes on you and you feel insulted????

My remark on wasting time, is because u do not argue anything about the subject matter but on me personally. TAT is wasting time. Becoming my addiction ? Sorry man, I just wanna make people realise wat a big lie christainity is and therefore be liberated by it. It is not my "addiction" to "encounter with a group of people that disagrees with your universe", it is my conviction tat I try to make them realise the folly of their ways so they can live life better.

Why bother? Christians believe that they are living better already. I dont get it. Your conviction to make people realize the folly of their ways is OK? But Christians doing the same thing is NOT OK? Duh!!

Sorry man, evolution present evidences tat IT EXISTS in the first place before being accepted. I believe u can see the many different evidences presented about in this thread. If u want to prove evolution wrong, u can just come out with evidences tat proves it otherwise.

For existence of god, they can't prove it exists in the first place ! Since they can't prove it, tis notion is not even accepted !

You dont get it. I am one of those who believe that there is such a thing as evolution. I also believe that God started the evolution process. As I'd mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, it all depends on how one defines evolution.

burntan SG

When I plant my durian tree, I want it growth into a big tree with many leafs on it and growth plenty of durians, so I make sure I plant it in the right place and ensure that I fence out the area to prevent animals to disturb and many works to ensure it growth healthy. I can foresee that it willl growth according my plan. And I saw that it was good.

I don't need to physically see my work on the same day to said that.

When my wife pregnant for 3 months, I touch her stomach to blessing and talking to my son. The Bible didn't mention that those people answer back and talking to God that day isn't it?

AMD2004 SG

that post is just meant for ppl like SIS. my england not that good lah. Is just only 1 post so far that i write with better england; dedicated to SIS only. now, calm down liao, no more typing with good england. Laughing

stupidissmart SG

Got lah. But I try very very had to be careful with my spelling and grammar. And when I do make spelling error, I will correct it. I have a little more pride in what I write.

Tat is your writing style. For me, I take pride in answering long threads in a short amount of time.

Any comment on your spelling and grammar has go to with your psychological profile. One of an unstable mind. The science of profiling include the analysis of the writing style of the individual.

Tat is again another personal attack. I believe in the whole forums, there r a lot of people who do not spell correctly either. Does stephanism write impressive english ? If tat is the case then probably everyone is unstable. It probably meant tat I took little time to answer simple questions from people. BTW, I thought the science of profiling is on handwriting, not typewritten style ?

Whats a flase claim? I cannot respond because I cannot understand.

Rolling Eyes never mind, keep laughing at speling mistakes... No matter wat u say about it is not gonna change anything

Please bear in mind that I had tried very hard in the past to answer your questions, but each time, it still ended with you declaring that you are right. Point is, you are never satisfied even when you are proven wrong. Example? How about the historical context of Biblical text which you categorically deny or how about definition of certain English words used in the past which holds different meaning from now? You have rejected both of these.

Really ? I know u try very hard, but have I ever declared tat I am right without showing u the reasons ? On the issue of definition of certain english words, I thought I have already "agree" to "disagree" on it ? My end note is since I cannot prove "know" as plain "know" while u cannot prove tat "know" = "having sex", then we rest the case as such. I never talk about tat anymore isn't it ? Wat else do u expect ?

I may accepted some of the things youd said at one point, but your continual pursuance of the cause to discredit Christianity has confirmed my point that you still hate Christians

I thought I have given u the reasons of why I continue writing ? If tat is the case, then I can conclude tat the reason why u r discrediting me now is because of your personal grudge against me. So we shouldn't take wat u say seriously ?

And you think that I have left these brothers alone? Id written to some of them to ask them not to write such notes. I dont do it for all to see. Anything that had happened before me joining the forum has nothing to do with me, as well as anything I am not aware of. And please, if you see any other Christians going to another forum with negative opinions let me know.

I never see u go around asking them to stop like wat u r trying to do to me now. Tat shows u r biased yourself isn't it ? U discourage me from writing in an extreme actions while u make half hearted attempts to stop your "christian brothers" from antagonising other religions.

You are the only person in Eternal Hope with so much hatred. I have never told anyone else off for voicing their opinions. Mature people know when to back off. I will not challenge anything you say in Chit Chat. Other non-Christians come into Eternal Hope write a couple of paragraphs and leave. No sweat. Agree to disagree. You? As Id said, Christianity holds the secret to your purpose of living. We are the drug that allow you to survive each day.

Likewise, u r the only person in Eternal hope tat have so much hatred for me personally. It can be shown tat u never really told anyone off even when they make vulgarities or profanities at your religion without reasons. Truth is tat, u do make passing remarks about me in Chit Chat. Can u tell me u do not ? Christainity holds the purpose of my living ? Another groundless conclusion u made because of your poor observation and tendency to make groundshaking conclusion without substantial reasons. If tat is the case, then I am probably your purpose of living too, since u tend to discredit me so often as well. I am the drug tat allow u to survive each day.

I said you are NOT HERE TO LEARN, I did not say I am here to teach. Learning is not about agreeing, it is about accepting another opinion as much as it disagrees with yours. I learn culture when I travel, even culture that disagrees with me. I learn that in some parts of China, bugs are eaten, I would not agree to eat it, I can only accept that it happens. That is real learning.
Whatever implication that exist is in your own sick mind is entire your own.

Tat is RIGHT ! Why is my role here have to be strictly learning ? Surely tat make your role here as teaching isn't it ?

Your idea of learning again boils down to wat u view religion as. U view religion as just a way of living and not the truth ? Surely u can't believe in conflicting theories of gravity and accept both of them ? If there r conflicting theories, then it is right for people to discuss till they come to an answer isn't it ? Otherwise u never know which one is correct !

So no issue here. You think we have dumb points, but whos dumb to come each day to listen to dumb people taking about dumb things. Dumb? You take it to a new low.

wat do u mean by "taking about dumb things" ? I don't understand ! I thought u take pride in spelling and correcting grammer ? Look like u don't really practise wat u preach ! Worse still comment about other people when u yourself made the same mistake !

What is malicious? It is up to you! If you think I have, so be it. So you can come in here and call us dumb or stupid and that's OK? Some other people make remakes on you and you feel insulted????

So u agree with it ? I have stated people r dumb and stupid when they had resort to attacks on me personally first. So when they make such remarks on me, it is okie and when I retaliate, it is not ? Forget it, we all r on the same level.

Why bother? Christians believe that they are living better already. I dont get it. Your conviction to make people realize the folly of their ways is OK? But Christians doing the same thing is NOT OK? Duh!!

I don't get u as well, when christian preach their religion to other is okie while I tell people their is wrong is not ? I thought christians always challenge people to these biblical studies when they r preaching their faith to others ? Now someone has taken up the challenge they accuse him of doing exactly wat they intend ? Wat a hypocrite...

You dont get it. I am one of those who believe that there is such a thing as evolution. I also believe that God started the evolution process. As I'd mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread, it all depends on how one defines evolution.

If it doesn't apply to u, then I am not talking to u ! I am answering to sillyme ! R u sillyme ? Maybe u 2 r the same guys offline Laughing

stupidissmart SG

As said before, god had physically see the work on tat day, NOT FORESEE. He has seen the world he created on the same day ! He even walk on it, and planted the garden of eden and made the many streams ON TAT DAY ! He even warn adam not to eat the fruit of wisdom ON TAT DAY. So he is talking to a cell tat cannot exists in a galaxy tat was not formed yet ? If he really do tat, then one must really be wondering why say something who can't even hear nor live in a galaxy tat was just formed days ago. Furthermore, before eve was created, which is still on the 6th day, adam can name all the animals in the world. Wouldn't tat be a surprise for a cell tat is dead in a galaxy 2 days it had just being formed ?

BTW... the manner in which men was formed is explicitly mention in genesis 2.

the LORD God formed the man [5] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

How r u gonna argue tat men r formed from dust ?

sillyme SG

You crazy ah? There is only one sillyme.

Anyway, regarding your point on proving the existence of God. No point la, I show it to you, you also don't believe. But I have no regrets, I gave my very best and I have no professional training or whatsoever

stupidissmart SG

Anyway, regarding your point on proving the existence of God. No point la, I show it to you, you also don't believe. But I have no regrets, I gave my very best and I have no professional training or whatsoever

Good, there is only one SIS too.

Why don't u show it to me the evidence of its existence so tat u had really done your best ? I do not have any professional training watsoever either... The field is fair.. in fact it is mroe fairer to u since u have more people on your side...

Chin Eng SG

so sorry SIS Very Happy there was ONE spelling mistake. Unlike you, I will admit it when I make it. So the word that I was typing in error was "talking".

still I will back off, because you are not the drug to fuel my day.... actually it's coffee. man, i need my coffee now...

do me a favour, when you see another forumite in another forum, especially one pertaining to lifestyle and other religion, badmouthing it, drop me a line. I will go in to "advice" such an individual to stay away, or at least be polite. Or perhaps, each time I admonish another individual, I put you in the copy list. Laughing

Why do I pick on only you? I guess it's the same reason why you pick only on Christians. Nothing more nothing less. Still, you can be offended by my comments but Christians should not be offended by your longstanding grudge because you speak the "truth"? Do I irritate you? Ignore me please... I am just an old geezer speaking his mind. After all, as you had declared so many times, this is a forum, why can't I speak freely....

Whether who is seen to be more credible is not up for you to say. Whether which one of us should be taken seriously is also not up to you.

Have a nice day! Until the next time....

burntan SG

Hmm... don't forget our God is omnipotent, how you know he can't physically see in the future and talk to someone in the future within same day?

We are known as carbon-based organic, the atoms and molecules to form our living tissue are all from the ground, from the Earth. So, to say that man are make from dust is nothing wrong.

the.raven SG

whoa, like that also can ah? back to the future??

stupidissmart SG

Hmm... don't forget our God is omnipotent, how you know he can't physically see in the future and talk to someone in the future within same day?

I think u r stretching it too far... In the bible it is explicitly mention tat he was talking to, and adam responded within the same day, not zooming back and forth in future. In the bible god was seen walking and exploring the environment within the same day, not zooming into the future and see the result. God made man from the dust on earth, meaning earth has been formed within a few days. Tis again defy science saying tat the galaxy, much less earth was created in many billions of years.

U r actually defying the scripture by not reading it literally and adding in your words to it.

We are known as carbon-based organic, the atoms and molecules to form our living tissue are all from the ground, from the Earth. So, to say that man are make from dust is nothing wrong.

Sorry man, dust is not made of carbon. It is likely to made up of clay or sand, which is aluminium or silicon based. Also the point tat I put in the dust thingy is to show tat men was specially created from itself, NOT evolved from primates.

burntan SG

We both don't know exactly what happened during the early universe creation and none of the scientist know that, too. The Bible can not be wrong, if it said so, it must be happen that way. God is extreme being that we can't even understand one over billions of his capabilities. BTW, no one can say he can fully understand the Bible and able to explain everyting in it. God didn't expect anyone beside Jesus can do that as well. All we need to know is it said what it written and it is exactly what happened. If you know the detail scientific explaination of genesis, we can create another universe, right? Don't forget, we are not God.

Now you are defying "dust" your way. My conclusion is, God created the universe, God created human in his way....it maybe thru evolution as well.

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