SAF Officer sentenced to jail in JB for not choping passport

last SG · 2007-01-28T00:10:35+00:00

this is really unfair and biased of the m'sian if you ask me. Although I do not know the full context of the story... I really think it was not an intentiona...

Ara SG

they got so many illegal immigrants. if everyone jail 3 months, you think they got enough place to put meh?

this is selective enforcement lar. the saf officer is wrong but 3 months is too harsh lar.

do you guys think at the point when they arrested him they know he is saf officer?

Short Ninja SG

Donkey years ago my buddy (also an SAF officer) threw a cigarette butt at JB bus terminal suddenly a man standing next to him showed his warrant card and told him to report to the Police Post which also happen to be a tailor shop(undercover operation)
At the tailor shop there were cops and they demanded that he pay a fine of 10 ringgit.He was furious and told them that he is also a govenrment servant in SIngapore....suddenly the fine shot up to $50 sing dollars.We all got into a heated argument then they wanted to cuff and detain him cuz now they dont want money when I realised it would be smarter to renegociate.Ended up $20 dollars poorer and cursing Malaysia all the way back.Got receipt some more!!

nismoS132 SG

that is why it is naive for you to think that way especially when you have not been a regular visitor. this argument is pointless because you insist on implementing the singaporean way of things in a malaysian system.

LetterboxMind SG

I respect your guts. Technically, i believe if you tell them you are government agent from Singapore, they also don't give a damn. Even if you say you are ISD, they also don't blink an eye (though you might have problems with ISD for exposing your status when you return home haha).

Let's put it this way. Supposing you are governmant servant, and you whipped out your pistol (assuming you have lah) and shot the policeman. You think Singapore government will rescue you?

Contrast that to the time when a certain sultan from johor came to singapore, got stopped by a TP, and shot the TP. apparently he got away scot-free.

So basically, SG government servant in MY no big deal.

ninefold9 SG

No stamping on passports of s'porean visitors are done deliberately.

This is one very easy way for immigration officers to find ways

to earn extra income. Their tricks have been highlighted many

times in local press - so used to hearing it.

While the mistakes are done deliberately, it is the responsibility

of the visitors to get their passports stamped.

scabstermooch SG

I do not think so. In fact, I think your argument is pointless because, well, because you do not seem to be making much of a coherent point!

Are you telling me that malaysia is completely lawless? That in Malaysia the law is never enforced?

You really ought to stop reading the Strait Times and Lianhe Wanbao! Remember, all you need is 56 rapes/murders a year to have a report on a rape every week. If I owned a newspaper, I could make Singapore look like the rape/murder capital of the world!

dragg SG

because of that i always make it a point to check that my passport is stamped before i walk away from the immigration booth.

nismoS132 SG

i don't even live in singapore anymore. the point is that i used to be a regular visitor to malaysia, going over at least once a week. to say that johor is lawless isn't an overstatement, singaporeans are regularly targetted for crimes there, and the police are in cahoots with them. have you ever seen a money changer located directly infront of a police station being robbed?

Short Ninja SG

Yes scabster youve made some good points here about the officer who didint check his passport ,it is in fact our sole responsibily to ensure that our passports get stamped.The story that I told has no relation to this case and the last time I was in Johor for a quickie was like 10 years ago but I firmly believe that such things are still going on over the other side of the border making SIngaporeans prone to unforeseen trouble.Sure there is rape and murder that are not fully reported by the press but law enforcement people setting up the unsuspected to filll their own pockets is almost unheard of in SIngapore.Not saying that SIngapore is boleh but just saying that Malaysia is tak boleh.

scabstermooch SG

So what is your point? That this guy is not at fault because in malaysia things are not always done 'by the book'?

Or?

scabstermooch SG

You are right that JB almost certainly has a higher crime rate than Singapore! I just do not like the way some posters are arguing: Crime is high in Malaysia, There is corruption, therefore when a Singaporean gets caught doing something illegal, and is sent to jail, it is Malaysia that is at wrong.

That is simply absurd and IMO is an eg of how nationalist feelings can blind even the most rational people.

Gordonator SG

noted. i'll be extra careful if i were to go malaysia next time. Confused

nuttawood1990 SG

can summarised wat happened? Wink

hisoka SG

hmmz most pple discussing about whether its wrong to punish the guy but for me i don't know the full story and don't want to comment too much but i'm more interested in the differing punishments for the male and female for the same offence Rolling Eyes

but then again we all know that the MY system is screwed........

hisoka SG

actually i think the singapore customs also can do that Laughing

makes one wonder if such powers should be given to these pple though Confused

Shotgun SG

i think the Malaysian ISD will detain you instead... heh.

nismoS132 SG

technically, the guy is at wrong. but it is wrong to punish him. punishing him will not solve the problem of corrupt and lazy immigration staff and police officers.

the Bear SG

(from Sin Chew Daily)

TAN CHAI HO: A SINGAPOREAN COUPLE SENTENCED TO IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT HAVING THEIR PASSPORTS STAMPED

MORE CONVINCING EVIDENCE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO COURT

(Petaling Jaya-2 Cool On the matter that a Singaporean couple was sentenced to imprisonment for illegal entry as their passports were not stamped, Deputy Home Affairs Minister Datuk Tan Chai Ho said if the couple has more convincing evidence, they should submit it to court.

He said court lays great stress on evidence. The court focused on whether or not the couple's passports were stamped when it made a ruling.

Meanwhile, Tan Chai Ho also denied the accusation made by the male accused that Malaysia's immigration counter was not manned by any officer when they drove through the Malaysian checkpoint.

He said immigration officers are working shifts round-the-clock. It is impossible that immigration counters are not manned.

He pointed out that the Immigration Department or prosecutor would not have brought the couple to court if they had not made thorough investigations and had a complete understanding of the whole matter.

"If the couple had taken out their passports, why their passports were not stamped? That's a doubt."

He said it remains a mystery as to how the couple got into Malaysia or whether they had produced their passports.

Nevertheless, he said media reports over this matter can help heighten the people's vigilance. Also, he urged people to check if their passports are stamped when they come in and out of Malaysia in order to avoid the recurrence of such incident.

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i think the prosecutor has never actually gone there to take a look Laughing

scabstermooch SG

As I said, nationalism is an ugly thing to behold. Rolling Eyes

scabstermooch SG

Originally posted by the Bear:
(from Sin Chew Daily)

[b]TAN CHAI HO: A SINGAPOREAN COUPLE SENTENCED TO IMPRISONMENT FOR NOT HAVING THEIR PASSPORTS STAMPED

MORE CONVINCING EVIDENCE SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO COURT

(Petaling Jaya-2 Cool On the matter that a Singaporean couple was sentenced to imprisonment for illegal entry as their passports were not stamped, Deputy Home Affairs Minister Datuk Tan Chai Ho said if the couple has more convincing evidence, they should submit it to court.

He said court lays great stress on evidence. The court focused on whether or not the couple's passports were stamped when it made a ruling.

Meanwhile, Tan Chai Ho also denied the accusation made by the male accused that Malaysia's immigration counter was not manned by any officer when they drove through the Malaysian checkpoint.

He said immigration officers are working shifts round-the-clock. It is impossible that immigration counters are not manned.

He pointed out that the Immigration Department or prosecutor would not have brought the couple to court if they had not made thorough investigations and had a complete understanding of the whole matter.

"If the couple had taken out their passports, why their passports were not stamped? That's a doubt."

He said it remains a mystery as to how the couple got into Malaysia or whether they had produced their passports.

Nevertheless, he said media reports over this matter can help heighten the people's vigilance. Also, he urged people to check if their passports are stamped when they come in and out of Malaysia in order to avoid the recurrence of such incident.

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i think the prosecutor has never actually gone there to take a look Laughing
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This Tan Chai Ho seems to be a fool. How does someone get to his position by being so un media saavy? He should have kept his mouth shut and let the thing blow over. Mr Tan, the Public has a very very very short attention span and given some time, they will forget the matter.

Here endeth the lesson fool.

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