Woman the Walking Contradiction

Callan SG

errr....the ladder theory is not really meant to be taken seriously hor. its just fun to read.

Yes I know...I was using it in jest only.

Callan SG

I quote example mah...... Of cos onli in lover's eyes, there are perfections. Becos sometimes, we are even puzzled on wad we realli wan? true love, $$$, accompany, some1 to bark at.....

Not onli women are contraditing, men also the same de mah....

As we become older, our thinking seems/starts to change, we may not agree with wad we had said previously.

Hmm....I did say that men can be contradicting as well...did I not? That's why men fall for women. and vice versa. And on that topic, you are such a wonderful contradiction that I cannot help but fall in love with you...

*kiss Baks*

Callan SG

Same sentiments exactly. I dun see contradictions at all.

Ermm...so can you define contradiction to me? We seem to be using different dictionaries.

Callan SG

Guys like u are not really favourable.

So u hav somehow proven ur points tat women are a contradiction, and then??

If I want to be favourable I would not have said my piece would I? *lol* That would be contradicting....no puns intended.

Either way, this is just a point of discussion, you are very much welcome to disagree of course. Please inject some life into this forum, there has been nothing much but idle chatter most of the time nowadays.

Callan SG

i dun see any contradictions as well.. oh well.

oh well then....

tare SG

I have a big social circle of women (you included). And I agree with you, a woman is contradicting when she does not knows what she wants, but I somehow felt that this statements describe the majority of the women population. Looking at the ratio then, there are not many women left to fall in love with who are not in that category. Dun you women always claim that "All the good men are dead, married or gay." too? Then can I say "good luck" if you fall for a man who is not dead, married or gay?

What is the use of communication if you dun intend to say what you meant in the first place? Or rather to be fair at least most of the time. Most men does, but I figured that it is the logical thought process in a man and a women that makes the difference. Dun misunderstand me, most of the time I understand what women are trying to say to me. Most of them are quite happy with my ability to communicate with them on their level, emotionally or intellectually. But that does not mean that what they are saying is not what they really intend to say.

As for excuses for rejection, well, just to let you know more about men here. We are logical people, we dun really need women to let us feel life is a bed of roses. I think we are strong enough emotionally to know that we are ugly or not your type. We rather have the truth and break our "Frail ego" (Another assumption women have of men), then to listen to fairy tales. Try rejecting a man outright next time, you will find that it is definitely more effective and you might still end up as "friends"(because based on the ladder theory, men and women can never be friends) unlike what many women thinks to be. You can try it on me if you want, but like I said, I'm special...so the results might be otherwise.

kaoz wall of text >.<

simple: we dun need a good man... we just want a man tat's good to us...

woman sometimes say things cos of their "demure/shyness/watever shit u call it"... just like when i say, "tao yan"... does it necessarily mean i dislike u? if so, wat do u make out of me saying, "ni ki si"?!

trust me... thr r a plenty of man with super frail ego who can't handle the truth... just like thr r a plenty of woman who are just trying to be nice...

i'm prob not the best ans (if u r looking for any)... i'm not a typical woman, my mentality is more man than the avg woman... i reject ppl in the face (if i'm done with being polite)...

and pls dun reply with another wall of text... *headache*

Devil1976 SG

1. Yes. Most women are walking contradictions of themselves. Men too. Just that men often are less expressive, so you don't get to see the 'obvious' side of things.

2. Anybody can come up with any form of excuses they want when they want to do something in a certain way. Just that women don't bother to fabricate excuses with 'logic', while men often do... They can just be made up of distorted 'logics'.

3. It's common. Some things are too good to lose. 'Friend' & 'Lover' are often contradictions to each other. Not that they cannot co-exist, except that it's VERY difficult to especially when one has already weigh heavily in a relationship (note. Here I refer to any relationship in general terms). A 'friend' into a 'lover' is a breach of line, often from orderliness into chaos. Hence, hardly accepted. A 'lover' into 'friend' is often the bloom of a BGR or love relationship. When it deepens, either stabilised into something very difficult or risk destruction at cost.

4. Girl going into the same kinda jerk is quite a deep topic by itself. I've gone through this topic in the past. Basically, it's something something like women think by 'heart'. It's not something which is so really 'wrong' about. It's just their 'made up' which I would refrain from discussing in depth here. See it this way.. There're things they're more capable of and others which they're not. Of course, varies among individuals.

5. Do women want it all or just wanted to be treated equally? I think this is very subjective. Depends on which women you're talking about?

6. Nope. Women in general are not better at handling emotions as compared to men.

Devil1976 SG

a woman contradict herself when she doesn't know wat she wants... if u fall for such a gal, good luck...

True. But some things are not that obvious. It might be a little late by the time ya realised it?

Callan SG

1. Yes. Most women are walking contradictions of themselves. Men too. Just that men often are less expressive, so you don't get to see the 'obvious' side of things.

5. Do women want it all or just wanted to be treated equally? I think this is very subjective. Depends on which women you're talking about?

6. Nope. Women in general are not better at handling emotions as compared to men.

I like the way you are thinking.

Devil1976 SG

I agree with tare......... A perfect guy may not have a perfect gal in life. A devil may ends up with his angel. Human beings are not logical in their senses. They love to be treasured, yet stingy to give. She maybe the ugliest creature on earth but yet a lovely partner of yours........

Mostly imptly is the chemistry during the relationship. Treasure the relationship when chemistry is still ard. Look ahead after the chemistry is gone.

There is no regrets in life if u treat all your relationships with true heart.....

How very true.

Callan SG

kaoz wall of text >.<

simple: we dun need a good man... we just want a man tat's good to us...

trust me... thr r a plenty of man with super frail ego who can't handle the truth... just like thr r a plenty of woman who are just trying to be nice...

i'm prob not the best ans (if u r looking for any)... i'm not a typical woman, my mentality is more man than the avg woman... i reject ppl in the face (if i'm done with being polite)...

and pls dun reply with another wall of text... *headache*

"simple: we dun need a good man... we just want a man tat's good to us..."

I can be very good to women.

"woman sometimes say things cos of their "demure/shyness/watever shit u call it"... just like when i say, "tao yan"... does it necessarily mean i dislike u? if so, wat do u make out of me saying, "ni ki si"?!"

Same as tao yan. But notice the term "tao yan" originated from women?

"trust me... thr r a plenty of man with super frail ego who can't handle the truth... just like thr r a plenty of woman who are just trying to be nice..."

Trust me, those are not man, but just man wannabe.

"i'm prob not the best ans (if u r looking for any)... i'm not a typical woman, my mentality is more man than the avg woman... i reject ppl in the face (if i'm done with being polite)..."

I love women like you...so will you reject me again?

"and pls dun reply with another wall of text... *headache*"

Is this short enough?

Devil1976 SG

When did I say we are looking for a perfect girl? And unless there is a mistake here, I'm very much more a giver than a taker. And since 22 years old (let's forget those teenage years), I have always been very serious in all my r/s, I always try to love my 100% though I can't say I have actually loved 100% before. Once again, let me state my belief in r/s again, "The beginning of a r/s, is the beginning of a marriage." I dun think I can take r/s more serious or treasure a r/s more than this. But how is this related to women being a contradiction?

The fatality of your belief is a clash of beliefs between that of yours and your partner's maybe....?

Disclaimer. 1st thing, people can change. May it be you or her.

2nd thing, people might not be what they appear to be.

3rd thing, people see things differently and think differently. What you think she see / think might not be what she's seeing and vice versa.

Another common wrong belief among people (especially males) is that how much I put in is = how much I get back for return. Remember that a love relationship revolves around 2 people. You can't see love as a 'logical' subject because the 2 main subsets within it might not be 'logical' in the 1st place.

A side note. Even if so happens that the women you've loved before are not idea, doesn't mean all women like that. For a starter, you might want to try knowing different type of women and not always fall for the same type. And the last thing a woman might want is someone who's despair. Don't give up on yourself and don't give up on relationship... Or so, relationship would just have to give up on you...

Devil1976 SG

I can be very good to women.

Irrational as it may sounds, not all women would like to be treated well. This is not about logics. It's about personality.

Agenda SG

I'm a guy, let me share my views on your(callan) statements

I want a man who is not very handsome, but must be lookable.
Probably not look as handsome as Andy Lau, but must be pleasant looking eg, can carry himself off right.

I want a man who is chivalrous (or gentlemanly) but chauvinistic enough at the same time.
What?

I want a man who is not very successful in his career, but must have amass enough success in his work to maintain his position.
Very contradicting indeed, maybe they didn't phrase it right

I want a man who is not rich, but financially stable enough to maintain my lifestyle.
Probably a guy who is getting a fixed pay of say $2,000? Rather than working like a artist who probably gets paid $2,000 in what? 4 months?

I want a man who has time for me but successful in his career.
Can manage time well

I want a man who is good in bed but not have sex very often.
I agree with you

I want a man who knows how to treat a woman good but knows how to tease her to love him at the same time.
To me, these 2 seems like the same. Maybe cause my girls are all still young?

I want a man who loves his parents...but must love me just as much.
AND THEY STILL ASK WHO YOU LOVE MORE

I want a man who is athletic, has a great body...but not crazy about sports.
Probably not fat, spends some time a week to work out.

I want a man who takes good care of me and gives me the sense of security, but must give me space to lead a independent life.
Not too sticky

Click for my opinions.

charlize SG

Women rule the world.

DownAndOut SG

errr....the ladder theory is not really meant to be taken seriously hor. its just fun to read.

hahahaha.. interesting.. but some of it IS true to some extent.

DownAndOut SG

These are my opinions. Anyway, im a guy.

I want a man who is not very handsome, but must be lookable.
Pleasant looking. no B.O, no dirty fingernails, looks neat, has at least a decent sense of fashion, no unibrows(URGH!).

I want a man who is chivalrous (or gentlemanly) but chauvinistic enough at the same time.
Being gentlemanly is being slightly chauvinistic, just a tinge of it. like a drop or two.

I want a man who is not very successful in his career, but must have amass enough success in his work to maintain his position.
Simply, a man with a stable job. enough success in his work to ensure that he is needed and not in danger of being fired at anytime.

I want a man who is not rich, but financially stable enough to maintain my lifestyle.
As for this, depends on the girl's lifestyle. If shes the type where shes thrifty, then the average drone can support.

I want a man who has time for me but successful in his career.
Capable of time management and future planning.

I want a man who is good in bed but not have sex very often.
A man who is able to control his desires? Anyway, i think women want a man who can let them satisfy their deepest darkest fantasies in the bedroom, and still is in control when out.

I want a man who knows how to treat a woman good but knows how to tease her to love him at the same time.
A man who is capable of pampering his girl with his love, and still is independent enough to draw back and let her chase him.

I want a man who loves his parents...but must love me just as much.
Simply, a loving person. Or rather a person capable of loving on two fronts. Love for your parents and love for your girl is simply two different subjects and they can be just as much as each other.

I want a man who is athletic, has a great body...but not crazy about sports.
Plays sports, maybe like every thursday night a sports activity but not till the point of crazy fandom over the sports itself.

I want a man who takes good care of me and gives me the sense of security, but must give me space to lead a independent life.
Confident of living his own life. Confident in his girl being able to hold her in the world and if she cant, to look to him for help. And he MUST be able to listen to her, understand what she's NOT saying.

soleachip SG

BaByBoY SG

Dear Callan,

I`ve read most of ur post,

somehow, i`ll like to pay my compliments to you.

First for stirring up such thoughts amongst the most educated and free thinking women in both geological and historical aspect. i do agree with you that at time, i used to have such thoughts too.. like what devil said, perhaps, we guys are less expressive thus think that women are generally more contradicting..

well, i`m rather contratictory too... i hate ppl who are contradictory, but i love women as well..

Secondly, for having such patience to reply everyone regardless of their type of comments really requires some form of unsurpassed patience.. for me, i would choose the `listen to the gd stuff` strategy. well, having such patience of yours, you had been able to pen down all these thought like crystal.. however, perhaps this topic would receive less rebuttals if it were just named as your personal opinions, but well, givin an absolute title as such only proves the reality of life, `Looks does matter` as contrasted to `Title does matter`

Well, i`ve been feelin rather down due to many small nitty issue happening all at the same time.. so perhaps u all wanna pardon me for watever rubbish i had made??

and to all the great guys and gals, i`m really glad u had all participated well without giving irresponsible remarks..

best wishes,

BaByBoY

Callan SG

The fatality of your belief is a clash of beliefs between that of yours and your partner's maybe....?

Disclaimer. 1st thing, people can change. May it be you or her.

2nd thing, people might not be what they appear to be.

3rd thing, people see things differently and think differently. What you think she see / think might not be what she's seeing and vice versa.

"The fatality of your belief is a clash of beliefs between that of yours and your partner's maybe....?"

"Disclaimer. 1st thing, people can change. May it be you or her.

2nd thing, people might not be what they appear to be.

3rd thing, people see things differently and think differently. What you think she see / think might not be what she's seeing and vice versa."

I dun doubt what you said, not everyone has the same opinions and beliefs in a r/s. I hope you dun misunderstand that I'm trying to blame someone should the relationship not work out. It's just a mismatch. Simple and fair. It's just like religion, there will always be fanatics, and I'm a fanatic on my beliefs on r/s. So it will take another fanatic to go through life with me.

"Another common wrong belief among people (especially males) is that how much I put in is = how much I get back for return. Remember that a love relationship revolves around 2 people. You can't see love as a 'logical' subject because the 2 main subsets within it might not be 'logical' in the 1st place."

You can be the one taking control...really. You are the one who choose and decide how much to give and take. And the perfect scenario will of course be 50/50. Though it might not be entirely possible all the time, we alway try ti be close to the median. Please read my other article for further insights into my POV.

"A side note. Even if so happens that the women you've loved before are not idea, doesn't mean all women like that. For a starter, you might want to try knowing different type of women and not always fall for the same type. And the last thing a woman might want is someone who's despair. Don't give up on yourself and don't give up on relationship... Or so, relationship would just have to give up on you..."

Errmmm....are you talking to me about this? Looking at my history and what others know about me, I think I'm not about to give up just yet, but singlehood for now is fine. I'm enjoying the part of being the rejector for the moment. But who knows...someone might just steal my heart again. And dun talk to me about despair, I'm famous for kicking it in the face.

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