Steyr rifles to be phased out

last SG · 2006-04-27T10:41:25+00:00

I'm surprised that someone in SAF was actually dumb enough to display a live LAW... I guess common sense isn't common until something uncommonly bad enough...

ceecookie SG

singapore should consider using AK-47s.. Laughing save $$ and rather lethal..there's a 100 bullet mag varient too,other than 30 bullets

spartan6 SG

Wat make u think we dun have AK-47 Question

Ponders SG

SAF should sell MAF SAR-21 at below cost.

But spare parts at inflated cost.

Shotgun SG

I really don think its hard to double tap with the SAR-21 at all. Grip it hard, and watch ur LAD. Squeeze and squeeze.

I'm partial to the M-16 too, but the SAR-21 is really just very easy to shoot with.

SingaporeTyrannosaur SG

Not really, a valid point.

But I suppose that's where training comes in. And I certainly don't agree with the notion of giving a difficult to shoot weapon to soldiers so as they would not waste too much ammo. I remember when magazine rifles were first invented, some Military planners thought it was a bad idea beacuse it encouraged soldiers to waste ammo instead of reloading manually which forced them to take better aim with their bullets.

Obviously this is a defect of logic, instead of thinking of how they should alter their tatics to fit the new possibilities the magazine rifle gave them, they insisted that the innovation fit the old tatics.

Shotgun SG

Hmmm so do you think that we should have a new type of magazine of higher capacity?

Assuming that is there is way of increasing magazine capacity without using some really killer springs.

touchstone_2000 SG

The bit on cannot fix bayonet is the only thing I agree with you.

Note they only change the calibre once.

LazerLordz SG

With regards to MobyDog, the scope of the SAR 21 can be replaced without a total BER declaration.If the weapon has been submerged in water, what needs to be changed is just the scope + assembly(i.e the rubber external seals). What I suspect may have caused a BER status, could be the LAD being compromised and extended rust in the trigger mechanism caused by slow attention drawn to the rifle.

MG, I'm not too sure about nitrogen purging, but the main problem was the quality of the seals themselves.

MobyDog SG

Now, from what I understand the scope is integrated to the rifle's main assembly (Factory Zeroed)... you just can't change the seals and lenses just like that.. you can't just force out and push the lense back in the scope... it require cutting and welding them back.. which is a joke.

The LAD can easily be replaced and the rust in the trigger mechanism is moot.. because even if you do not submerge it.. normal operational usage in wet weather would do the same effects.. and the whole entire rifle assembly could easily be disassemble, including from the six main parts, but the only part that will not be possible would be the integrated scope... don't you agree.

Shotgun SG

They shud have just never mount the handle scope in the first place. Aimpoints are so much more effective, day or night. With or without night vision. Just that they cost more…

equlus84 SG

ok.....guys this is the suspected Malaysian self made rifle. They seem to have a huge list of procument recently.

http://timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=3676.45

Shotgun SG

Talk about a fugly looking weapon. haha

saline SG

26-04-2006: SME Ordnance in RM70m rifle deal
By Alfean Hardy

SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd has been given a letter of intent (LOI) by the Malaysian government for the supply of 14,000 Colt M4 Carbine assault rifles.

The contract, if finalised, would be worth about RM70 million and the rifles would be assembled under licence in Malaysia by the company.

The M4s will replace the armys 15-year-old Steyr AUG rifles under provisions already made in the Ninth Malaysia plan (9MP). Eventually, the government is looking to buy more than 100,000 M4s, but in stages.

The LOI was among RM310.4 million worth of contracts and letters of acceptance (LOAs) signed at the Defence Services Asia 2006 exhibition in Subang on April 26.

The largest was the RM213.4 million contract signed between the government and Switzerlands Pilatus Aircraft Ltd for 10 PC-7 Mk II aircraft.

Other contracts include a five-year deal worth RM152 million between Satang Jaya Sdn Bhd and the government for safety and survival equipment, and a five-year contract between the government and Sapura Defence Sdn Bhd worth RM110.3 million for the maintenance of the air forces simulator systems.

The RM310.4 million does not cover the four long-term contracts signed between the government and Satang Jaya, Zetro Aerospace and Sapura Defence.

so it is confirmed that they are gonna use the carbine!

tankee1981 SG

Is it just me or the Malaysian soldier (should be officier as seen from the shoulder) in the last pic did not extend the butt stock? And why is his elbow sticking out to the side? I mean i don't know how they teach their soldiers but i don't think this is right as i am not taught this way. Very Happy

touchstone_2000 SG

I don't see any wrong with it. Either way works

Meia Gisborn SG

Finger OFF the trigger, please!!!! Rolling Eyes

Shotgun SG

The elbow high form is more commonly seen with US troops. Brits prefer to keep their elbow low. Both works, just that I prefer keeping elbows pointed down too. Centralised CG, at least thats how I feel.

insouciant SG

Nice looking carbine... wish we were using that instead of...

Firing position is very much up to the individual, as long as it works for that person... who cares what position it is.

Shotgun SG

Dunno, to me, i feel the guy has tilted his head too much just to look thru the sight. The sight must always come up to the eye, and now the head tilt down. If u tilt to the side to ur aim will always change.

I like wat i was taught, one phrase sums it all up, "Be the master of your weapon."

chunyong SG

we do have them...in the police force dat is...haha

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